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Firefox now has Terms of Use! This'll go over like a lead balloon

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  • zerush@lemmy.mlZ [email protected]

    US companies are not longer trustworth

    https://european-alternatives.eu/

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    Capital is the problem, not nationality.

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      That website actually promotes Firefox, you know. Not sure it fits this thread.

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      Also Vivaldi is Chromium, and Mullvad is Tor, which is Firefox.

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      • R [email protected]

        We’ve seen a little confusion about the language

        Tastes like "I'm sorry you feel that way"

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        I'm glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

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          Yay, π

          IYKYK

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          I don't know, could you explain please

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          • cheezoid2@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

            So what’s the next best thing to use, preferably one that supports uBlock?

            zerush@lemmy.mlZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn't affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it's irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.

            If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).

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            • zerush@lemmy.mlZ [email protected]

              You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

              https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/

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              #17

              And Firefox is no longer my browser. Tada.

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              • cheezoid2@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                So what’s the next best thing to use, preferably one that supports uBlock?

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                #18

                Librewolf it comes with uBlock installed.

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                • zerush@lemmy.mlZ [email protected]

                  You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

                  https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/

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                  This seems like a great time to install LibreWolf.

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                    They've released an update, and I'm just generally confused:
                    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/

                    I fully believe that they didn't intend for it to sound so... all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is "uploaded" to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?

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                    This doesn't make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?

                    I don't know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.

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                      And Firefox is no longer my browser. Tada.

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                      #21

                      do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?

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                      • K [email protected]

                        I don't know, could you explain please

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                        see this other post:
                        https://lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376

                        Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, 🙂

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                          I'm glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

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                          Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

                          Maybe that's why Mozilla quit contributing to it.

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                          • K [email protected]

                            see this other post:
                            https://lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376

                            Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, 🙂

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                            ohh nice!

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                              see this other post:
                              https://lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376

                              Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, 🙂

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                              No, we all got the pi = march 14 part, but WTF does that have to do with anything?

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                                They've released an update, and I'm just generally confused:
                                https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/

                                I fully believe that they didn't intend for it to sound so... all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is "uploaded" to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?

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                                Or why do they have a world wide right for anything entered into Firefox.

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                                  This doesn't make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?

                                  I don't know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.

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                                  Exactly.

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                                    I'm glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

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                                    Igalia is currently working hard on making it easy to use Servo as an embeddable browser engine similar to how Chromium can be used.

                                    The problems of doing that with Gecko, the browser engine that powers Firefox, is main reason why there are so few alternative browsers based on it.

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                                      This seems like a great time to install LibreWolf.

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                                      Yes, but even more important to avoid sync with an Mozilla account, if you need the sync function (maybe Filen?) (Vivaldi has an own sync EE2E)

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                                      • povoq@slrpnk.netP [email protected]

                                        Igalia is currently working hard on making it easy to use Servo as an embeddable browser engine similar to how Chromium can be used.

                                        The problems of doing that with Gecko, the browser engine that powers Firefox, is main reason why there are so few alternative browsers based on it.

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                                        Also because Blink is the best and most advanced engine. The problem of Chromium is only that it need to gut out the Google APIs before it is a valid base for an browser. Vivaldi does it, also degoogled Chromium and even EDGE (but in change filling it with a ton of M$ tracking APIs). The only alternative (Linux only) is the Konqueror Browser with the Grandfather of Blink, KHTML by KDE.

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                                        • zerush@lemmy.mlZ [email protected]

                                          You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

                                          https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/

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