Which browser do you use and why?
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Didn't Waterfox get bought out by an ad company?
yes and then sold and FOSS again!
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Privacy, simply better, better anti-fingerprinting.
Sure you can do it with stock Firefox but it's just simpler to have a pre-hardened browserWhat privacy and fingerprinting concerns are there with Firefox?
simply better
Lol. That's not a reason, ya goof.
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Even when using forks of Firefox you are contributing to the Mozilla project and can support it as well
Using librewolf is better than using chrome in term of support for the main devs MozillaThe thing is that it's not very common for people who use a fork to donate or encourage contributions to Mozilla... most of the people who go for forks do it because they do not trust Mozilla in the first place or don't agree with the decisions they take with the Firefox project.
So if this became the majority of users, I don't think Mozilla would keep developing Firefox, at least not at the level that they are now. In fact, I think even today Mozilla is not seeing much gain in maintaining Firefox, since they are now starting side projects to make money in other ways.
If there was a separate foundation that was started by all these forks to keep a foundation where to build on that isn't connected to Mozilla.. then that would be good in my book. But as things stand, those projects depend on Mozilla.
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Mull browser is deprecated, Ironfox is the community fork
Mull Browser != Mullvad Browser. Just to be clear.
Mull browser is from DivestOS and deprecated. Firefox fork.
Mullvad Browser is still alive and kicking, developed by Mullvad the VPN provider. Developed in partnership with Tor Browser, also a fork of Firefox.
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This is my lead contender now that Firefox is shitting the bed. Any downsides?
Well, the hardening, just as with Tor Browser, does break some sites. It comes preinstalled with NoScript and uBlock Origin, the former of which you will either have to learn how to use or disable, depending on your wants for privacy. While it doesn't include some of the anti-features of base Firefox, it is still based on Firefox so it will have similar performance for similar tasks.
Personally, I use Mullvad for most of my browsing, and Firefox for a few specific things (like staying logged into site long-term and such).
It's available as a flatpak via Flathub for an easy installation, otherwise you can check https://mullvad.net/en/browser/linux for distro-specific installation instructions.
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Using firefox but concerned now
Librewolf & waterfox are fantastic. Zen is interesting but it takes some work if you are used to firefox/Librewolf. Ladybird isn't out yet 🫠
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What privacy and fingerprinting concerns are there with Firefox?
simply better
Lol. That's not a reason, ya goof.
Explore the Arkenfox user.js and you'll see all things that can be improved in Firefox
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Mull Browser != Mullvad Browser. Just to be clear.
Mull browser is from DivestOS and deprecated. Firefox fork.
Mullvad Browser is still alive and kicking, developed by Mullvad the VPN provider. Developed in partnership with Tor Browser, also a fork of Firefox.
You are absolutely correct, I apologize.
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Firefox. Read the new statements on their website and the Full diff of the pull request. Not concerned at all.
Same. I'm not worried, just confused by the new language. It seems unnecessary, but I could end up being flat wrong.
I wish Mozilla would refocus on improving Firefox instead of the AI nonsense they've pursued lately. They havent been perfect, but if i'm going to give any faceless entity the benefit of the doubt, it's Mozilla.
That said, i want the forks to thrive. Librewolf is pretty good. I might check out Pale Moon again to see what has(n't) changed.
Waterfox is also good from what i remember. I used a build of it with KDE global menu support on OpenSuse for years, and i was happy with it the whole time.
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The thing is that it's not very common for people who use a fork to donate or encourage contributions to Mozilla... most of the people who go for forks do it because they do not trust Mozilla in the first place or don't agree with the decisions they take with the Firefox project.
So if this became the majority of users, I don't think Mozilla would keep developing Firefox, at least not at the level that they are now. In fact, I think even today Mozilla is not seeing much gain in maintaining Firefox, since they are now starting side projects to make money in other ways.
If there was a separate foundation that was started by all these forks to keep a foundation where to build on that isn't connected to Mozilla.. then that would be good in my book. But as things stand, those projects depend on Mozilla.
I understand completely your point of view but I wouldn't use the stock Firefox as it's not private enough and it has really bad features
And do you think that most Firefox users donate to Mozilla?
Using Firefox (even a fork) supports the work of Mozilla, like using chromium browser support the work of google
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I understand completely your point of view but I wouldn't use the stock Firefox as it's not private enough and it has really bad features
And do you think that most Firefox users donate to Mozilla?
Using Firefox (even a fork) supports the work of Mozilla, like using chromium browser support the work of google
And do you think that most Firefox users donate to Mozilla?
No, most don't donate directly, but some do use some of the features that indirectly do provide funds. Like for example, would a search engine be willing to pay Mozilla to have them be a default search engine if it had no users?
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And do you think that most Firefox users donate to Mozilla?
No, most don't donate directly, but some do use some of the features that indirectly do provide funds. Like for example, would a search engine be willing to pay Mozilla to have them be a default search engine if it had no users?
So you recommend people to use the google search engine?
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Explore the Arkenfox user.js and you'll see all things that can be improved in Firefox
I'm good.
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So you recommend people to use the google search engine?
No I did not say that. Do you recommend people to use the default settings?
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Using firefox but concerned now
Been using zen for a few days with ublock, no issues so far but I might go back to librewolf soon even though it feels less modern. It just feels safer, idk tbh
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No I did not say that. Do you recommend people to use the default settings?
So it's the same as if your were using a fork nah? The only difference is that mozilla does know that you use a Firefox browser because telemetry is disabled
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So it's the same as if your were using a fork nah? The only difference is that mozilla does know that you use a Firefox browser because telemetry is disabled
No, it's not the same. Floorp users are not having that default. I repeat the question that you didn't answer yet:
would a search engine be willing to pay Mozilla to have them be a default search engine if it (stock Firefox) had no users?
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But who's making these "updates"? Who's doing the actual work of keeping the software secure? Mozilla is.
If everybody moves to a free-riding fork, Mozilla goes to 0% and there will be no browser let alone updates.
This needs to be higher up. We need firefox as an alternative to a chrome engine monopoly. ToS and telemetry are miniscule issues compared to what we are up against
Firefox is literally the last thing standing between google controlling the entire browser landscape and having control over all web standards (as if they dont already have too much influence)
People ditching firefox over tos, telemetry, AI, CEO pay, etc. are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Do i wish mozilla would stop doing stupid shit? Of course. But the alternative is far worse. Dont let perfect be the enemy of good. Mozilla will never be as ideologically pure as we want them to be, but that's OK (for now)
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Brave, FOSS. Because it's the best one I have found for my use case.
I am surprised by the lack of people mentioning brave, i swear it used to be mentioned everywhere.
Did something happen or did a newer better browser come out?
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Using firefox but concerned now
I moved to LibreWolf back when Mozilla announced AI features
I appreciate its privacy-focused approach
