Funkwhale Wants to Filter Out Far-Right Music
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Which is an outcome I actually worry about, if they implemented this feature in Funkwhale. A fascist fork of the app existing and having a userbase gives it legitimacy. It immediately sells itself to those people: "Come to our free speech music platform" will bring in a lot of new users, very easily.
I mean, that's the freedom you've been so concerned about only two posts ago. it's a similar situation with Gab and Truth.social. they both use Mastodon's code, but everyone else distances themselves from them.
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And had a way to support artists
How would you do it directly in the software?
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Ever heard the saying, „Your freedom ends where someone else’s begins“?
Exactly. Don’t give them a platform
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
[from the original announcement]
If you are a liberal or if you want to have fun, have a look at "Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?"
haha, nice. And this makes the Funkwhale announcement author's position clear: combating fascism is more important than defending lofty ideals, like their liberties. They treat Funkwhale as a community, not merely a tool.
Some of the points Sean brings up may be reasonable critiques, I don't know enough about music tagging to know how easy or hard MusicBrainz is to use, and there is also the question about what if a formerly RW artist reforms (many, many have deradicalized or left the movement, fun fact: this is an important source of antifascist intel). I know about a dozen artists who, as teenagers, were in edgy right-wing circles and echoed that in their works, and are now very far away from that and regretful, but if they hadn't taken up new aliases, they'd probably be lumped in with their unwelcome past works. So I do see merit in the complaint about that project lead failing to implement a way to handle special cases.
With all that said, I'm definitely in support of this move. I just hope they implement and improve it well - that will make or break it.
This reminds me of Mastodon (like Sean mentioned in the article) and Lemmy. I'm not experienced with Mastodon, but I am aware of how they reacted to Gab (formerly a Mastodon instance, before getting bullied by almost everyone), and how most of Lemmy divorced Wolfballs (run by a US-Libertarian, think 🧊
+ antivax, but soon populated by white supremacists and neo-nazis; eventually shut down, among other reasons, when the admin realized the Nazis on their instance weren't just pretending for a laugh and that many were commercial bots. Probably didn't help that their admin had a non-white partner and jewish friends) and exploding-heads.These are examples when a FOSS tool takes a community stance, rather than an idealistic liberalist freedom-above-all stance.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Maybe Im off base here but I'd say like 10% of music means right if center?
This idea sounds dumb. Just don't listen to kid rock or ted Nugent, or most country, and you're basically all set.
Then there's like 3 bands per genre that are dog whistlers or overtly shitty humans.
Done?
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Why is the right wing here,the fediverse is a socialist communist ass concept, so against capatilism born out as an indrect response to how republicans have led america
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I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals
Perhaps, and I don't see how that's a problem. Saint IGNUcius isn't the divine dictator of FOSS. The original Funkwhale announcement's author makes it clear at the end that they don't hold freedom-as-an-end-goal (liberalism) as their ideology.
LARP
Not LA nor RP, my friend.
As you hinted, a determined admin can disable the blocklist, it probably isn't too technical to patch, but this makes a clear statement, which if you've seen any right-leaning tech forums, has a real impact on them (see their discussions on Firefox and Rust, or better yet, don't).
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Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals
Perhaps, and I don't see how that's a problem. Saint IGNUcius isn't the divine dictator of FOSS. The original Funkwhale announcement's author makes it clear at the end that they don't hold freedom-as-an-end-goal (liberalism) as their ideology.
LARP
Not LA nor RP, my friend.
As you hinted, a determined admin can disable the blocklist, it probably isn't too technical to patch, but this makes a clear statement, which if you've seen any right-leaning tech forums, has a real impact on them (see their discussions on Firefox and Rust, or better yet, don't).
It's not even liberalism, it's pragmatism. It's simultaneously giving software as a commons and trying to restrict it, an extension of culture wars that's so ineffective it gives the other side an easy win once they set up chudwhale as a scripts that forks the latest codebase but with no blocklist and a pepe mascot. Just time unspooling. I might be depressed.
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It's not even liberalism, it's pragmatism. It's simultaneously giving software as a commons and trying to restrict it, an extension of culture wars that's so ineffective it gives the other side an easy win once they set up chudwhale as a scripts that forks the latest codebase but with no blocklist and a pepe mascot. Just time unspooling. I might be depressed.
I wouldn't get too depressed about it, it would just be another niche bit of alt-tech if it were anything other than completely neutral. I can't think of a case when an anti-left fork of a software was memorable as a self-hostable tool. The closest I can think of is Gab, which hardly qualifies, nor does it hold a torch to Mastodon.
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They have benefitted from and encouraged 'but if you do that you're no diffrent from-' spinelessness.
Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding 'we' march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we're extremists.
So. Fuck 'em.
Their 'compromise' is 'we give them everything, and get nothing in return.'
Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.
what the fuck are you even talking out?
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Are you taking about funkwhale or the right wingers?
Rightwingers.
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How would you do it directly in the software?
Being able to pay them
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I wouldn't get too depressed about it, it would just be another niche bit of alt-tech if it were anything other than completely neutral. I can't think of a case when an anti-left fork of a software was memorable as a self-hostable tool. The closest I can think of is Gab, which hardly qualifies, nor does it hold a torch to Mastodon.
Technically, SoapBox and Rebased were forks of the Mastodon frontend and Pleroma backend by an alt-right dev that found some level of success in the alt-right part of the Fediverse. So, it's not completely unheard of.
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Why is the right wing here,the fediverse is a socialist communist ass concept, so against capatilism born out as an indrect response to how republicans have led america
You'd be surprised, this has always been something of a weird schism within open source. There's a synthesis between socialist and libertarian ideals, the overlap of which is broadly seen as a beneficial social good. So, you get contributors and users that fall on opposite ends of a spectrum. This is just as true for the Fediverse, only the dynamic is much more pronounced, because it's a social network populated by people who got off of other social networks.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Can anyone tell me why I can't login to Funkwhale with my instance? No matter what I do I can't use it.
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I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
Reeks of bullshit ass slippery slope censorship to me.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
You can decide what music you listen to. Anyway a band being too politcal won't make bad music, you don't have to agree to their ideas to appreciate the music
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You can decide what music you listen to. Anyway a band being too politcal won't make bad music, you don't have to agree to their ideas to appreciate the music
This is how you get republicans wanting to use RATM on the campaign trail
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Can anyone tell me why I can't login to Funkwhale with my instance? No matter what I do I can't use it.
Which instance do you use? Mine had been having issues recently
