European leaders throw support behind Zelenskyy after heated Trump meeting
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Are they going to send European weapons, or will they buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine?
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He's actually went and said that?! Where?
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I don't think the right-leaning EU citizens recognise this as a problem with the right. It's too easy to say this is "an America specific problem" and "We'd never vote in a dumbass such as Trump."
I honestly think this kind of learning will happen here absolutely not at all.
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Each will send their old or excess stock, or newly manufacturer weapons.
Some of the old stock may include weapons bought from the US previously, but it's very unlikely Europeans will be buying new weapons and supplies from US to give to Ukraine. France, Germany Italy, Spain and the UK all have significant arms manufacturing ability and have ability to scale up quickly. (Reference)
Many European leaders (including business leaders) are extremely reticent to enter into new supply deals of any kind with the US given the recent trade volatility.
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Weak, untrustworthy, and difficult to even be allies with.
There are very few, if any, world leaders who acted as unhinged as dumb and dumber did.
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That'll trap vulnerable people in the States, potentially to be lynched. Much as I would love to support a blanket, don't allow crazy out of crazytown, there's sane people trapped there that should be allowed to flee.
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But I couldn't tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.
It was a show for Putin. A test of loyalty.
Just look at how they spoke of Putin as if he was reasonable and had reason to be upset with Zelenskyy. Meanwhile, they treated Zelenskyy as if he was the problem.
Trump still denies calling Zelenskyy a dictator... From a few days prior.
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In a way jt is fascinating to watch the US goverment dismantle their empire on fast forward. With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.
Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.
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It's always the same thing, a state that used to work "together" with russia no longer want's to be a slave to russia and work with other countries.
Russia doesn't want that, so they attack.
It happened to Georgia before it happened to Ukraine.
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Wouldn't "mount support" instead of "throw" have been a better choice of words?
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Deep state is having a nap I guess.
I don't mean that facetiously, honestly surprised the CIA is just chill with everything.
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I'm hoping Ukr gets an EU membership out of this at the minimum. They're going to be blocked from NATO by US and Turkeye
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I canāt find it right now, but there was actually an interview where someone asked Donald Trump about the Russian invasion of the Crimea area and he didnāt know how to respond & came off sounding like a complete dickhead ļæ¼
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Did I imply that? EU has done more than the US on this issue, but to galvanize in this context means to excite or stimulate. After 3 years it's rather easy to grow complacent, and scenes like this remind people to remain pissed off.
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Yeah, unfortunately with how people think, you're probably right. The average person anywhere isn't noticing a global trend here.
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Yes you did imply that.
To "push someone towards supporting Ukraine" implies that they are not currently and have not been supporting them.
You could have said "I hope it strengthens their support" or "...pushes them to continue supporting...". I reacted because there's lots of people in the US thinking Europe has done nothing and it's all been the US, which is straight Trump/Putin disinformation.
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With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.
I disagree. If it was a single conversation the world would be shocked but they could still cover it up. Politicians say dumb shit and walk it back all the time.
It's the fact that his first term was already such a blundering mess in terms of diplomacy, combined with the fact that he somehow got re-elected, the accelerating bullshit ever since and now finally this mess. If they hadn't been chipping away at any international goodwill so thoroughly, the response would be closer to "I can't believe a US president would say that" rather than "the US as a whole is no longer reliable".
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Do you know if they still support BTC donations? There were tweets about it a couple years ago but nothing on the main site says they do.
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I've been seeing this attitude a lot the last few days "I see that you're doing something, but it's not a total and immediate fix, so fuck off". And you just know that the ones doing the criticizing haven't done and don't plan to do jackshit, because that same mindset justifies inaction in themselves. Either this place as a terrible pessimism problem (believable, Occam's razor and all that) or there's some people being actively, intentionally discouraging (idk, I don't doubt it. I've seen crazier propaganda).
