PewDiePie's tierlist of browsers
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I don’t disagree with that. It’s just that most browsers are built that way, unfortunately. Nothing is free, not even Firefox. If you want to sell it, it’s hard to maintain reasonable expectations that people won’t just build it from source instead of buying it. Something 100% free can’t maintain itself over long time.
Firefox is open source, and while it takes some shady practices to fund it (it sure isn't cheap to run your own damn engine alongside everything on top), I take it as a more tenable compromise. It's not about free as in beer freedom, it's about basic security.
You can also have degoogled Chromium which is open-source if you're into it.
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Putting Cromite at the bottom most tier makes me discard the entire thing.
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Putting Cromite at the bottom most tier makes me discard the entire thing.
And Brave at the top lmao.
This dude poopoopie has always been garbage.
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And Brave at the top lmao.
This dude poopoopie has always been garbage.
Your comment made me look at the list again. I didn’t even realise Brave is located at the very top.
Also, why is “not ideal for a normal human” at the middle of the list?
Garbage, indeed.
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It's a youtuber, who made this, and people feel hurt, because he doesn't put their browser at the top. That's just sad. He puts Firefox at the top - I use Firefox, and I still don't care what he thinks about it. I make informed choices, it's not religion for me...
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Firefox is open source, and while it takes some shady practices to fund it (it sure isn't cheap to run your own damn engine alongside everything on top), I take it as a more tenable compromise. It's not about free as in beer freedom, it's about basic security.
You can also have degoogled Chromium which is open-source if you're into it.
Even EDGE is a ungoogled Chromium (but containing M$ tracking APIs instead).
Vivaldi IS a degoogled Chromium, a small part of the UI (by far the most advanced one of any other browser) is proprietary, but not really obfuscated, they show even in the support forum how the user can modding it, if for him isn't enough what he can do in the most complete setting page ever, the only thing is, you can't use it for other browser projects. It's certainly not a privacy or security issue.Chromium as is, is 100% FLOSS but because of this isn't more private or secure as a proprietary soft, FLOSS isn't automaticly synonym of privacy and security, a lot of people confuse it, it's not the propósit of OpenSource, privacy and security of an soft depends only of the intentions of the developer or company, not if their soft is OSS or not. The user can audit the soft, which in any case is needed if he don't want or be able to check millons of lines in the code which a complex soft like a browser engine has.
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Even EDGE is a ungoogled Chromium (but containing M$ tracking APIs instead).
Vivaldi IS a degoogled Chromium, a small part of the UI (by far the most advanced one of any other browser) is proprietary, but not really obfuscated, they show even in the support forum how the user can modding it, if for him isn't enough what he can do in the most complete setting page ever, the only thing is, you can't use it for other browser projects. It's certainly not a privacy or security issue.Chromium as is, is 100% FLOSS but because of this isn't more private or secure as a proprietary soft, FLOSS isn't automaticly synonym of privacy and security, a lot of people confuse it, it's not the propósit of OpenSource, privacy and security of an soft depends only of the intentions of the developer or company, not if their soft is OSS or not. The user can audit the soft, which in any case is needed if he don't want or be able to check millons of lines in the code which a complex soft like a browser engine has.
Of course I mean pure ungoogled Chromium, without bloat on top.
Not only browser code consists of millions of lines, it is also audited by thousands of people, and, importantly, changes can be highlighted, which doesn't allow for them to go unnoticed.
Successful mass attacks with OSS typically require much more skill and resources as you need for you malicious code to be written in a way that stays unnoticed (and eventually, rather soon, it will be discovered, with all consequences).
With closed source programs, integrating malicious code is easy, and this code can stay there unnoticed for ages, so they are 100% "trust me bro, I don't do anything bad".
So, yes, OSS is more secure.
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It's a youtuber, who made this, and people feel hurt, because he doesn't put their browser at the top. That's just sad. He puts Firefox at the top - I use Firefox, and I still don't care what he thinks about it. I make informed choices, it's not religion for me...
He didn't even made this, is a screenshot of a bunch of browsers that appears for 2 seconds on a video.
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Where's ladybird
Edit - I didn't know about the Transphobia going on there. that is unjustifiable.
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Of course I mean pure ungoogled Chromium, without bloat on top.
Not only browser code consists of millions of lines, it is also audited by thousands of people, and, importantly, changes can be highlighted, which doesn't allow for them to go unnoticed.
Successful mass attacks with OSS typically require much more skill and resources as you need for you malicious code to be written in a way that stays unnoticed (and eventually, rather soon, it will be discovered, with all consequences).
With closed source programs, integrating malicious code is easy, and this code can stay there unnoticed for ages, so they are 100% "trust me bro, I don't do anything bad".
So, yes, OSS is more secure.
Agree, it's the problem with closed source, but also easy with FOSS with bad maintenance, even more, because also the hacker can see the source code, without the need to desensamble it. In Vivaldi some of the UI part (5%) is proprietary, but not really closed source in it's sense of meaning, apart it has a continuous maintenance, with snapshot releases and frequent updates, a great community with the participation of the team and beta-testers. Very transparent all this, no space for fishy or shady things.
Vivaldi (a employee owned cooperative from Norway) was since years active against the shady practices of US companies and one of the promotors, along with the Consumer Organisation from Norway and some others, which caused the current EU GDPR law.
Nowadays it's needed to promoting European products and services to gain sovereignty from the US hegemony of big corporations. but sadly in browsers there are only three from Europe: Vivaldi (Norway), Mullvad (Sweden) and Konqueror (KDE, Germany), the other one, UR (France) is dead since a lot of years.Mullvad is maybe the most private browser after TOR, but apart of this not much more, Sync with Mozilla account which is a no-go for me. Konqueror, based on the KHTML engine (Grandfather of Blink and WebKit) is Linux desktop only, interesting features, but few extensions and somewhat limited.
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That's a good find that famous people are getting into FOSS (should be free as in freedom too).
But it's really not a good thing that they spread a non expert speaking to the crowd.Tier lists are meant to be mainly subjective and pretty relative to the person that made it.
In that way Pewdipie could quote experts but in no case should make a tier list based on what he found the last weeks (I didn't fully watched the video so maybe I'm wrong and he made a big disclaimer) -
Where's ladybird
Edit - I didn't know about the Transphobia going on there. that is unjustifiable.
In the trash with the rest of the transphobes
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I kinda think Floorp is better than waterfox
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In the trash with the rest of the transphobes
Wait, something happened with ladybird? Or is just a joke?
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Wait, something happened with ladybird? Or is just a joke?
This is a fairly unbiased writeup
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This is a fairly unbiased writeup
Thx
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I kinda think Floorp is better than waterfox
I'm considering switching to Floorp, I'll need to check of Pewdiepie has his reasons and what those are.
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No Zen-Browser (though I am not sure when this vid was made), and Pale Moon should be in the "Not ideal for a normal human" at best.
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Thx
That was a good read. I didn't know about thatNeither did I. Wow dead before arrival.
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Ngl, feel like his tier list is based on usability while avoiding big tech.
Tbh even if this tierlist is not the best or great, it still is "good enough". Plus the most important thing is to get tons of people interested.
I rather have "good enough" tier list that reaches to millions of people, then have a perfect tierlist that only reaches out to less than a dozen people.
Because amongst the millions of people who are interested, thousands of them will do their own research into privacy and dig deeper into it.
Plus right now, the biggest weakness of privacy is the fact that our community is too small to make an impact.
Having someone give this much outreach and influence to attract attention towards privacy is a good thing. (well, as long as their advice are on the positive end of the spectrum, and pewdiepie's advise surely is, even if its not perfect)
