Anon describes experience
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Failed a high school required class because I have poor writing abilities. (I word good.. just my penmanship is trash)
Literally got a 0 on a midterm because the teacher "couldn't read my writing"
Crap like the green text and my high school experience is why parents need to be involved in a child's education.
thats been 30 years ago.. I'm still bitter. But it'll make me a better father to school aged kids
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this is all really surprising. what were the native languages here? it was in the uk right?
Europe, but not an English-speaking country. No native speakers were involved.
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"Impossible" would be a more mathematically accurate answer than "zero".
Yea, or “the first twenty are free but the remaining five you don’t have to give are a problem”.
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This shit happened to me, but in kindergarten. I grew up in a bilingual house. I spoke English and Spanish equally. I went to the school with my mom to get assessed. She said I could read and was bilingual. The teacher didn't believe it and made me read from one of their books.
To add insult to injury, when they had Spanish class, the fucking teacher taught us that "purple" was "porpuda" and "lizard" wad "lizardo." Shit like that... My mom put me in another school.
I'm 48 and still laugh about lizardo. How absolutely stupid.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You had Peggy Hill as a full time Spanish teacher‽‽ She's supposed to be a substitute!
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I would understand "unsolvable" or something but 0 just hurts. Later you learn to specify "within natural numbers" and it's totally reasonable to stay within the number range you have learned so far and it would be fine to tell the kid "you're not wrong but let's keep it simple". Just don't teach things they have to unlearn later.
My brother was in a similar situation where he said the square root of -1 is i and the teacher was impressed and it was discussed as a positive thing at home
Speaking of not teaching things kids have to unlearn later, I've often wondered why we don't just start teaching math with the expectation that you solve for "x".
i.e. Instead of
2 + 3 =Write
2 + 3 = xThis would prime the child to expect that math is about finding an unknown and you've already introduced the unknown that will be most prominent in their academic career. This will also reduce the steps necessary when teaching how to balance an equation as you no longer have the "well actually you were always solving for 'x' we just didn't write it, so you didn't know, also we're never going to use 'x' for multiplication again." stage.
But I'm not a teacher, parent, or child psychologist and this is just my blathering hypothesis based on watching my peers struggle with math for years.
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The worst part is that he was grounded by the parents. When I was younger a teacher told me I was wrong for saying that Portrush was in County Antrim, not Londonderry like she told the class. My mum brought it up at the parent teacher conference.
Same teacher also marked me wrong when asked to list loughs in Northern Ireland and Iisted Lough Beg. I was right, but it wasn't on the list that SHE gave us.
I really don't get this attitude. I've taught many classes, and making mistakes is just part of teaching. Unless you're just reading from a textbook (and even those can be wrong), you're going to make some mistakes. I'm a human being; sometimes I'm going to get stuff wrong. I try to minimize the errors, and it's not like I'm teaching subjects I'm unqualified to teach. But to err is human. Maybe it's different because I've taught undergrad students rather than K12, but IDK. I just really don't get the attitude of an educator that feels they need to conjure up an aura of unerring perfection.
if I make a mistake in some derivation, I'll just admit it, usually with some self-deprecating humor. A few things I've said to address it when it happens:
"Whoops! Guess the coffee hasn't kicked in yet!"
"Whelp, contrary to popular opinion, I am not infallible!"
"Well, I'm clearly not infallible, guess I'll never be pope!"
<Delivered with obvious sarcasm.> "No, you see, that was intentional! i was just testing you to see if you would notice my error! Obviously it can't be that I made a mistake!'
"Whelp, as you can plainly see, I am clearly drunk!"
I've said all these and other things in front of entire classrooms of students. I don't make mistakes often. But if you teach enough, it does happen. And it's always a bit annoying to the students, as they have to back up, maybe correct their notes, etc. And I try to lighten that annoyance with some levity. So I try to make my lectures as correct as possible. But when mistakes do happen, i just try not to make a big deal about them, I dismiss them with some light humor.
Honestly, I'm glad I make mistakes. I wouldn't want to teach if I didn't. Part of teaching is making students feel confident that they have the ability to wrap their heads around concepts that may be very challenging. And if even the instructor can make mistakes? Well then students hopefully won't feel so frustrated and demoralized about the ones they make.
It's a fine line to walk while teaching. On the one hand, you want to be an authoritative source of knowledge on whatever topic you're teaching. On the other, you need to be human. And part of that is not trying to portray yourself as some infallible god. Because ultimately that's not what you are. And kids are clever and perceptive; they can see through your bullshit. If you make a mistake and try to cover it up, they will see through it, and they will lose respect for you. Aside from a few reprobates, most kids have enough emotional intelligence to realize that ultimately you're just a human being trying to do your best, and that some errors are inevitable. Students are perfectly willing to forgive imperfection. They're far less willing to forgive dishonesty.
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Speaking of not teaching things kids have to unlearn later, I've often wondered why we don't just start teaching math with the expectation that you solve for "x".
i.e. Instead of
2 + 3 =Write
2 + 3 = xThis would prime the child to expect that math is about finding an unknown and you've already introduced the unknown that will be most prominent in their academic career. This will also reduce the steps necessary when teaching how to balance an equation as you no longer have the "well actually you were always solving for 'x' we just didn't write it, so you didn't know, also we're never going to use 'x' for multiplication again." stage.
But I'm not a teacher, parent, or child psychologist and this is just my blathering hypothesis based on watching my peers struggle with math for years.
The former has the advantage that you can just write the answer in the same line on the worksheet. But you could maybe introduce the latter early as an interim stage to avoid learning everything at once.
2 + 3 = x x =Might confuse first graders but work at a later stage. My only expertise is that I'm a former child so take this with a grain of salt
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It's not a matter of accuracy even, if for any two natural numbers x < y it holds x - y = 0 then x = y, which is a contradiction. So this is basic consistency requirement, basically sabotaging any effort to teach kids math.
Depends on how your mathematical system is defined. In the mathematics system this teacher is using, negative numbers simply do not exist. The answer to 5-6 is the same as 5/0: NaN. Is this mathematical system incomplete? Yes. But, as has been thoroughly proven, there is no such thing as a complete mathematical system.
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Can confirm. Nothing beats not having a boss.
Can confirm. Nothing beats not having a boss.
Life pro tip. A machete and a shovel are very useful tools in achieving this state.
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God that teachers dumb..
Why even as the question? Why not just do 20 - 20 if you are going to be upset when a kid knows the answer.
Simple! Don't ask questions you don't want the correct answers to.
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I had an elementary school teacher who insisted that gravity came from the earth's rotation, and that if the earth stopped spinning there would be nothing holding us down.
I had a math teacher at my stem highschool claim that the touch screens on the ipads worked by heat and that if you touch them too much the screen will get too warm and stop responding
She also told students their computer was slow because they had too many desktop shortcuts, or hadn't emptied their "trash" files.
There was also an argument we had over whether something was actually a 3d vector or multiple 2d vectors but I don't wanna dredge my memories for the exact details, it was dumb.
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I'll take "that happened" for 100, please.
I literally had that experience in grade 2. The class was asked a negative numbers question, I answered the question correctly but the answer was “impossible”. I wasn’t reamed out but I was shut down hard so I wouldn’t confuse the other kids.
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Fucking hell I feel validated rn, I had a similar experience at that age but it was in language/reading class. It's so frustrating to know that you are correct but you lack the terminology/ability to properly convey why you are right.
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Really? We got a detailed breakdown of why the periodic table is the way it is
Yeah, turned me off to science at that age too which sucks because I was pretty into it.
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Really? Seems like.a very shit teacher and school. Dont think a 7 yr old getting upset by that is unusual. Id be furious of that had happened to my kid.
Its kind of a perfect example of how mediocre has become acceptable and even celebrated. And the attidues of don't question, or don't challenge. Scale that up and you start understanding how the world is as it is, particularly in the US.
They need you to feel like less so they can feel like more. Their comfort trumps your reality. Bystanders are more comfortable appeasing bullies than caring for victims.
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My English-as-second-language teacher hated me because I kept correcting her spelling and vocabulary. But it was okay because I hated her right back and took every opportunity to annoy her (for the sake of rigorous accuracy, of course). Fortunately she couldn't actually harm or sabotage me because I aced almost all of my tests and had good scores in national ESL competitions, and a sudden drop in grades would likely have been too obvious.
The point where I'd had enough was a test about the anatomy of vehicles. She had crossed out my answer to "left side of a ship" because I'd written port or larboard (not that I expected someone with a master's diploma to know the etymology of nautical terms*, or not to confuse larboard with starboard because they looked similar), but what made my blood fucking boil was when she crossed out my answers of hood and trunk because I'd used the American words instead of the British bonnet and boot, and when I pointed out that she'd marked those same answers as correct in others' tests, she went back and fucking changed the scores on the other tests. I told her it was "deplorable conduct for a teacher" (approximate translation, and as polite as I was going to get that day) and she dragged me to the principal for disrupting the class.
That was the third year of high school (I think "junior" is the American equivalent). I took an option to graduate one year early from ESL, in part out of spite. I'm sure she was glad to be rid of me.
* I knew "larboard" and "starboard" and the names of individual sails from Assassin's Creed 4. Much of my vocabulary comes from games (including some Russian from STALKER, Metro, and MGSV).
edit: A resurfaced memory! Still regarding sailing -- she thought "in distress" meant that things were calm and safe because "di-stress" was the opposite of "stress". I swear I'm not making this shit up!
this reminds me of a time (similar situation, english as a second language, and i knew english better than the english teacher) the teacher was talking about past tense, and trying to find a word that ends with a "y" to show an example of adding "ed" to the end.
the example? buy turning into buyed. i corrected her, saying the past tense of buy was bought. she gave another example: fly turning into flyed. i corrected her again, saying it was flew, but she just gave up and used flyed as the example anyway
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We had computer classes where we had to learn about spreadsheets.
To do a number plus ten percent we had to put in A1+A1*10/100
I did A1*1.1 like a normal person.
She then went round to make sure everyone had put it in correctly. Got annoyed at me and changed A1 to something else to expose my folly.
Was visibly annoyed when it showed the right answer.
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When I was in kindergarten, my mom got a call day 1 because I didn't know how to count to 10 supposedly. Even though I did it multiple times. I just did it in Japanese cause they never requested I do it in English. Tbf, I'm white and not bilingual.
Thanks, now I have a plan for trolling my kid's future kindergarten teacher.
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I had a math teacher at my stem highschool claim that the touch screens on the ipads worked by heat and that if you touch them too much the screen will get too warm and stop responding
She also told students their computer was slow because they had too many desktop shortcuts, or hadn't emptied their "trash" files.
There was also an argument we had over whether something was actually a 3d vector or multiple 2d vectors but I don't wanna dredge my memories for the exact details, it was dumb.
So, there is some jank in how Microsoft handles the desktop that results in more shortcuts on in using more resources. It always has to have all the images and icons loaded at all times.
But with the increases in baseline RAM I'd be shocked to find anyone with more than 4GB experiencing slowdown from it, even in the most extreme situations.
Similar thing with trash/recycling bin. Are you already low on storage space? Then yeah, clean it so your PC has enough spare space to work, or to use for swap (effectively extra, slower RAM by way of using drive space). But that was also far more likely to be a problem on the old drives measured in MB.
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Man... This sucks. I can't believe how many lemmings have had similar experiences. I'm just remembering one now where I was excited about math, went ahead in the curriculum to fractions, and answered everything in ratios. Instead of the teacher seeing the simple mistake, I just remember them being "wrong". How deflating.
Kids need connection before correction. I'm sort of glad my kid is glued to a screen doing adaptive math. It sucks in its own way, but better than unfeeling correction. Though, at least in my district, there's a big emphasis on empathy development so I think the teachers try to model that.
