Which do you prefer, democracy or dictatorship?
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How about for lemmy?
Lemmy is inherently democratic. If you don't like a muni, or an instance, you go to another one. Without centralization dictatorship is impossible.
That said, it's not democracy, either: It's a federation of interdependent polities, each with their own laws and administrators. Which is good, because it allows for rapid response to spam, inappropriate content, and verbal violence.
And if the admins or moderators overreach, well, back to the first paragraph: we've got open borders, go homestead your own community on another instance. You literally cannot be silenced here.
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Lemmy is inherently democratic. If you don't like a muni, or an instance, you go to another one. Without centralization dictatorship is impossible.
That said, it's not democracy, either: It's a federation of interdependent polities, each with their own laws and administrators. Which is good, because it allows for rapid response to spam, inappropriate content, and verbal violence.
And if the admins or moderators overreach, well, back to the first paragraph: we've got open borders, go homestead your own community on another instance. You literally cannot be silenced here.
Democracy means that power is held by the people. It doesn't mean that if you don't like it you can leave.
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Democracy means that power is held by the people. It doesn't mean that if you don't like it you can leave.
It's called "voting with your feet". Being free to leave is power. Means a hell of a lot more than up- and down-doots.
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It's called "voting with your feet". Being free to leave is power. Means a hell of a lot more than up- and down-doots.
wrote last edited by [email protected]In a democracy the vote determines policy.
But this is obvious. Right?
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In a democracy the vote determines policy.
But this is obvious. Right?
In a democracy, the community determines policy. Votes are orthogonal. If the community leaves when they disagree, by definition everyone that is remains agrees with the policy, making it a democratic policy. The friction to changing instance is very minimal, so it's a good indicator of people's opinions.
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In a democracy the vote determines policy.
But this is obvious. Right?
You saw the whole paragraph where I talked about how lemmy is not a democracy, right? And literally cited this as one if the reasons why?
Like I get that you're probably responding to multiple subthreads right now, but it only takes a few seconds to scroll up.
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In a democracy, the community determines policy. Votes are orthogonal. If the community leaves when they disagree, by definition everyone that is remains agrees with the policy, making it a democratic policy. The friction to changing instance is very minimal, so it's a good indicator of people's opinions.
Yeah but they aren't actually determining policy. Obviously.
Why are you bullshitting?
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You saw the whole paragraph where I talked about how lemmy is not a democracy, right? And literally cited this as one if the reasons why?
Like I get that you're probably responding to multiple subthreads right now, but it only takes a few seconds to scroll up.
wrote last edited by [email protected]And you also stated that it is inherently democratic.
Would it kill you to stop being so coy and evasive?
It's a thousand dictatorships.
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Yeah but they aren't actually determining policy. Obviously.
Why are you bullshitting?
The first sentence was a response to you asserting voting is essential to democracy, which is false. The rest of the comment was a response to you not accepting [email protected]'s argument.
If you can't find an instance you agree with, and you have a mass of people who agree with you but are collectively too lazy to create a new instance, you would communicate your stance with words. Lemmy has a system for leaving text statements. You seem to be familiar. But there's no mechanism to force the instance operator to obey you.
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Democracy, like mostly anyone. But it depends on anyone's conception, here.
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The first sentence was a response to you asserting voting is essential to democracy, which is false. The rest of the comment was a response to you not accepting [email protected]'s argument.
If you can't find an instance you agree with, and you have a mass of people who agree with you but are collectively too lazy to create a new instance, you would communicate your stance with words. Lemmy has a system for leaving text statements. You seem to be familiar. But there's no mechanism to force the instance operator to obey you.
But that wasn't my question, was it?
My question was whether you prefer a democracy or a dictatorship.
The answer is clearly dictatorship.
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Democracy, like mostly anyone. But it depends on anyone's conception, here.
If the dictator was you, might that make dictatorship more attractive?
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Lemmy is inherently democratic. If you don't like a muni, or an instance, you go to another one. Without centralization dictatorship is impossible.
That said, it's not democracy, either: It's a federation of interdependent polities, each with their own laws and administrators. Which is good, because it allows for rapid response to spam, inappropriate content, and verbal violence.
And if the admins or moderators overreach, well, back to the first paragraph: we've got open borders, go homestead your own community on another instance. You literally cannot be silenced here.
Closer to anarchy, seemingly.
Inappropriate to compare with governmental organizations. Differing goals.
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Online? Dictatorship. Let the guidelines be clear and the conversations civil and on topic. If my speech isn't wanted in a particular community I can find another, or make another where I'm the dictator.
IRL? Democracy. It sucks, but it's better than everything else. I do, however, wish there were better laws forcing media to be locally owned, and bound to be truthful. And some way to keep late stage capitalism's hand off the scales.
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Dictatorship by a wide margin. Why should the parliament squabble over a law for months, possibly years, when under a dictatorship said law could be enacted instantly? Also with democracy every politician just thinks about getting elected, not the actual long-term needs of the country.
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Democracy, obviously. No it doesn't change if I'm the dictator.
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Every moderator on lemmy, apparently.
just dominate them bro
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Democracy, in the hands of the proletariat, not the bourgeoisie. The government should oppress the capitalist class and uplift the proletariat, political power should be stripped from capitalists and lay with the proletariat instead. This is the "dictatorship of the proletariat" over the bourgeoisie.
