This seems applicable to quite a few things
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I just can't even stand the personality of someone who's first fucking instinct when they see violent or sexual media is "If I don't like it no one should be allowed to see it." Fuck off.
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I hate that this meme makes it sound like "can you believe we've been talking about the same thing since 1990?!" completely ignoring the Moral Majority movement of the 80s and even all censorship efforts in the decades prior to that.
Yeah, there's nothing new under the sun. These conversations are likely as old as humanity. It's an ongoing and living discussion about societal boundaries. I don't see it being "resolved" any time soon either.
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I remember that one, because for what I remember it was a really shitty episode because like the crux was that the statue had to be naked if you'd let "everyone" have their way. And that is of course disgusting or something you just cannot accept (I'm from Europe so the whole anti naked craziness from the USA is completely stupid for me). So not funny just moralizing pro USA christianity.
Or so I recall, it was some time ago
There was a big kerfuffle in the US at the time, one particular senator - Jesse Helms - went on a special crusade to revoke funding for the National Endowment for the Arts and restrict obscene works, generally. Maybe triggered by, certainly exasperated by Piss Christ. US obscenity law at the time was basically, "I know it when I see it," and Simpsons itself was occasionally threatened for its 'obscenity.'
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To be fair to Marge, she only cared about violence being a bad thing after Maggie (the baby) got influenced and beat up Homer.
So it was less that she just doesnât like it, but it actually affected her negatively, which is still on point.
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Censorship isn't recent. It's been with us since the dawn of civilization.
Socrates, while defying attempts by the Athenian state to censor his philosophical teachings, was brought charges that led to his death. The conviction is recorded by Plato: in 399 BC, Socrates went on trial[8] and was subsequently found guilty of both corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens and of impiety (asebeia,[9] "not believing in the gods of the state"),[10] and was sentenced to hemlock.
Censorship is another way to wield power, and all of civilization is about power.
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Iâm committing to Godwinâs Law:
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I think you might have missed the intended message!
Marge wants to censor Itchy and Scratchy. She builds up enough support to successfully do so.
Her followers then want to censor Michelangelo's David, which has come to Springfield on a tour. She disagrees, saying it's a masterpiece and goes on TV to urge people to go to see it.
On the show Marge is then asked how can she be in favour of freedom for one form of artistic expression (David) but not another (Itchy and Scratchy). She concedes that she can't, and that censoring Itchy and Scratchy was wrong, despite hating the show.
The nudity issue was shown as an extreme position - it was so extreme as to make Marge realise that she was wrong to campaign to censor Itchy and Scratchy.
Thanks, I just remember the statue wearing jeans in the end.
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I think you might have missed the intended message!
Marge wants to censor Itchy and Scratchy. She builds up enough support to successfully do so.
Her followers then want to censor Michelangelo's David, which has come to Springfield on a tour. She disagrees, saying it's a masterpiece and goes on TV to urge people to go to see it.
On the show Marge is then asked how can she be in favour of freedom for one form of artistic expression (David) but not another (Itchy and Scratchy). She concedes that she can't, and that censoring Itchy and Scratchy was wrong, despite hating the show.
The nudity issue was shown as an extreme position - it was so extreme as to make Marge realise that she was wrong to campaign to censor Itchy and Scratchy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It was also a meta or self-referential joke about what was going on with The Simpsons itself, at the time.
Bush 1, Herbert, had actually specifically attacked the Simpsons in a speech he gave about American moral values.
All the people that wanted to ban Magic cards, DnD, Pokemon, Harry Potter?
They also wanted to ban the Simpsons, and of course later, South Park.
1990?
The Simpsons was only on season 2, this is the 9th episode of the 2nd season.
This is back when The Simpsons were a radical departure from the standard family show, was a vicious critique of much of the bullshit fake nonsense image that America pretended it was, before the show uh, Flanderized itself into basically meaningless pablum.
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These hardcore moralists, dominionists, theofascists... they never went away!
They just held their tongue a bit more, untill Trump told them it was ok to stop doing so.
People who didn't grow up in and then escape a strongly right wing upbringing just don't get it, and its why so many people are surprised that such a rapid shift to facism can and is occuring.
These people have nothing other than their malformed superiority complexes and out of date traditions.
Of course they would and will always jump at any chance to impose their idiot will by force and double think.
Its all they know.
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Thatâs a rehash episode they did years or even decades later (hard to say with the simpsons offhand) when the writing got a lot more âphone it inâ. The episode they tweet references an episode from the second season and sheâs mad about itchy and scratchy, the meta cartoon inside the show.
As others have said though this argument predates the simpsons by basically the entirety of modern human existence
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Censorship isn't recent. It's been with us since the dawn of civilization.
Socrates, while defying attempts by the Athenian state to censor his philosophical teachings, was brought charges that led to his death. The conviction is recorded by Plato: in 399 BC, Socrates went on trial[8] and was subsequently found guilty of both corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens and of impiety (asebeia,[9] "not believing in the gods of the state"),[10] and was sentenced to hemlock.
Censorship is another way to wield power, and all of civilization is about power.
Agree with your thesis. We don't live in some society disconnected from the ancient past. We aren't any smarter, self aware or capable of better discernment. Everything is about power and always will be.
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So you're telling me it didn't completely change society immediately after airing?
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Thatâs a rehash episode they did years or even decades later (hard to say with the simpsons offhand) when the writing got a lot more âphone it inâ. The episode they tweet references an episode from the second season and sheâs mad about itchy and scratchy, the meta cartoon inside the show.
As others have said though this argument predates the simpsons by basically the entirety of modern human existence
itchy and scratchy, the meta cartoon inside the show
Whereâs Poochie?
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I hate that this meme makes it sound like "can you believe we've been talking about the same thing since 1990?!" completely ignoring the Moral Majority movement of the 80s and even all censorship efforts in the decades prior to that.
What a shame that the efforts of Frank Zappa, John Denver, and Dee Snyder are all but forgotten.
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What a shame that the efforts of Frank Zappa, John Denver, and Dee Snyder are all but forgotten.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Dee Snider's speech at the Senate Hearing is a fucking banger.
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I hate that this meme makes it sound like "can you believe we've been talking about the same thing since 1990?!" completely ignoring the Moral Majority movement of the 80s and even all censorship efforts in the decades prior to that.
Or, you know... the Nazis.
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Iâm committing to Godwinâs Law:
wrote last edited by [email protected]Godwin's Law stopped applying when the internet became overrun with literal Nazis. Don't let them use that shit as cover.
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So you're telling me it didn't completely change society immediately after airing?
1990 was 35 years ago. How exactly do you define "immediate"?
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I hate that this meme makes it sound like "can you believe we've been talking about the same thing since 1990?!" completely ignoring the Moral Majority movement of the 80s and even all censorship efforts in the decades prior to that.
Kind of a dumb reason to hate it. Because it doesn't include the entire breadth of this issue?
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Yeah, there's nothing new under the sun. These conversations are likely as old as humanity. It's an ongoing and living discussion about societal boundaries. I don't see it being "resolved" any time soon either.
That Venus of Willendorf, all with her big ol titties hangin out like smdh fr fr.
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I hate that this meme makes it sound like "can you believe we've been talking about the same thing since 1990?!" completely ignoring the Moral Majority movement of the 80s and even all censorship efforts in the decades prior to that.
I guess that's one way to read it, but the Simpsons is still in living memory for most people since it's still running so it's more relatable thread for people
