Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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Lemmy.world is excluded because it represents more than 30% of all active Lemmy users, thats too much. And yes the list is somewhat randomized. Youre welcome to improve all this.
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Both can be true. We can welcome everybody who wants to come, and also realize that having 100 million complete noobs suddenly join wouldn't necessarily be the best outcome either.
Show people the way and if they indicate that it's too much effort to do a bit of research for 10-20 minutes, understand that it's not exactly a huge loss for them to not join.
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Im a french canadian plumber, nothing scream "have you tried unplugging and pluggin it again" more than that, yet here i am?
The people still on reddit will die with it, it's where they made their home and there will always be a reason to stay.
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You can find the defederation info quite easily just by asking, or going to the blocked instance tab on whatever server you're wondering about.
Your other questions are somewhat ambiguous, so there's no easy way to simplify it into a data sheet. Because of the fact that the vast majority of instances are federated with each other, it also doesn't matter that much.
I don't think that kind of numerical information would really make the decision any easier, it'd be more likely to confuse people even further.
Servers are either general purpose or with a specific focus. Ani.social, ttrpg.network, slrpnk.net, are servers that clearly advertise the specific content they host and focus on. And obviously the geographical/language based servers (feddit.uk, aussie.zone, lemmy.nz) do the same thing. That's pretty easy to figure out imho.
The distribution of joined communities just seems way more complicated than necessary. Number of users is already the most widely available stat, just go to fedidb or lemmyverse and you can easily see tye list of instances ordered by monthly active users.
https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active_month
I do think a cheat sheet about defederations would be nice to have though, I might try to make one when I have a chance.
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Agreed. Also if we're being honest servers would probably start crashing left right and center if ten million redditors decided to join next week. The software still needs time to mature, so slow and steady growth is actually perfect for right now.
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When I say decentralization I refer to the fact that it is federated. Not sure what you mean.
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This is a good point. And also reddit is astroturfing hardcore, it's likely that many comments are coming from botted accounts and especially upvotes are heavily manipulated.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that a lot of people genuinely struggle to get started on Lemmy. But just pointing out that perception is actively amplified on reddit, because they obviously want to discourage people from joining Lemmy.
It's not a conspiracy at all, I've seen countless positive comments and posts about Lemmy removed over the past year or so. They know about us and they are worried.
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Tbf I think it takes just a little web litteracy to understand the fediverse. I know I'm a developper, so I tried explaining it to my bro and he got it on the first try.
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Thanks for reminding.
I'm more busy on [email protected] at the moment but I might give it a go at some point.
Just seems strange to have so many people wanting to fix this in this thread without actually acting
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Copy past that into your browser, then log in with your username and password?
I'm not very tech savvy compared to a lot of Lemmings but I'm definitely above average. So I'm not trying to throw shade, just trying to help. The more people who get the hang of things is the more people who can teach others how to do it.
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sorry I totally misread that as defederated lol
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I use Boost for Lemmy. The transition from Reddit was easy for me, and I know little about the fediverse other than the most basic outlines.
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It will definitely impact their experience though, doesn't matter if they know or not imo
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- Stop making blanket claims about instances you like or dislike, no matter how fair you feel they may be, and don't fall for the bait of others doing it. This is just drama and is exhausting to read about.
- Instead of suggesting people "join Lemmy", say things like "Join Lemmy at programming.dev" (or whatever instance you yourself are using). Sure, "but picking a server is hard" will always probably be a complaint, but leading with the one you personally use is the best way around it. If you're on a hobby focused instance (like I am) then maybe suggest a generic instance to people outside of your hobby. Don't be afraid to suggest lemmy.world. It's better to suggest the biggest instance than endlessly debate about which one is the best to suggest.
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I like how the GenX and millennial is the only example that isn't overwhelmed at first. I think it's definitely worth considering that those particular generations have a significantly greater ability and openness to learning new paradigms and adapting to new UXs, because that was something that was unavoidable for all of our formative years.
Due to the rapid pace of technological advancement from 1980-2010, it was simply necessary to adapt to brand new systems and interfaces every few years. And the rewards for doing so were enormous, so we naturally learned that if you took the time to figure out these new technologies and interfaces, you would be rewarded with much greater capabilities. For previous and subsequent generations, that process probably didn't shape their way of interacting with technology as much, so they're reluctant to put in a significant amount of effort in learning to use new technology.
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Exactly it seems most people here still didn't realize that this is an open source project run by volunteers, not a corporation with countless employees and a profit motive. If people want something to get done then it's best they start doing it themselves.
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Those went on and on and on and on for years though - it was only 3 months ago that Discuss.Online finally defederated from Lemmy.ml, making it the first top ranked instance that would be suitable to recommend to Redditors. And even then lemmy.ml still remains to bully and abuse the potential users with tankie BS (bOtH sIdEs SaMe don't ya'know).
Also before those two started there was Lemmygrad and Exploding Heads, and others I cannot recall off the top of my head but they really do go back a ways - defederation fights is kinda Lemmy's whole main entire deal. Sadly, I am not kidding: it's a Nazi bar effect where you can't convince people to join a bar that welcomes Alt-Right Nazis (although in this case it's Alt-Left tankies), bc they are turned off by such.
It's fine if we ignore what those users want btw, it's just less so if we don't acknowledge who we really are, and then wonder why nobody likes us - that kind of incel culture is not okay, at least not with me, and I will stand by that.
