Hubris
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oh my god first ever recorded event of ASCII art in lemmy
Letters, punctuation, and spaces are just about the only ASCII in that art.
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I don't know. When I go to a city as a tourist, I typically stay for 4 to 7 days before moving elsewhere, so that I at least have a very vague idea of what the place is like. One afternoon isn't enough time to do anything, you can see a museum and have a coffee, which is nice, but doesn't tell you much about the place.
I suppose it's another way to visit, but it's odd to me.You're there to visit it, you don't need to learn the whole city lol
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And coming from a well off family, why is it wrong for me to buy stuff?
Not saying that is the argument you're making/defending. Just don't see a problem with helping people out.
I was just explaining a misunderstanding, that being heckler vs hawker... I think you've replied to the wrong comment?
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I was just explaining a misunderstanding, that being heckler vs hawker... I think you've replied to the wrong comment?
I think I did too. Please accept my apologies!
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I’ve been invited on a few cruises.
I was in the navy, and immediately launch into a tirade about how top heavy and unsafe those things are.
“Well it’s never been a problem for us”
Okie dokie, I took statistics, so hard pass all the same
I mean the danger of capsizing in a cruise ship is vanishingly tiny, and the Navy has similarly top heavy vessels, like aircraft carriers. They have massive keels, and their displacement is so huge that rough seas mean almost nothing to them. You're far more likely to die in millions of more common activities than to a cruise ship capsizing. I don't really see how taking statistics is helping your argument at all, as statistics are on the cruise's side. Driving or riding in a car is far more dangerous.
Now, cruise ships suck for other reasons, like their exploitation of poor countries and massive carbon emissions. Arguing against cruise ships from a statistical safety standpoint is like arguing against airplanes because they could crash, regardless of how likely. The cruise ship excursions and activities on board are more dangerous than their seaworthiness.
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I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could willingly boars one of those monstrosities
If you are talking about the shape (wider on the top than on the bottom), it's not really a problem.
If you are talking about any other thing, you are probably right.
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Uh, sure. You might also fall on the concrete walk way around the pool, or on the lift, or the lift might fall on you, or any number of things.
Sure they might fall in the concrete, but that would be really obviously about to happen to have the fall.
Or like others have pointed out, they're using equipment designed for this, and probably nothing will happen lol
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Maxim 43: If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky.
the seventy maxims of maximally effective mercenaries?
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The OP is "just" reckless overconfidence. This is defiance against god.
I'm from the city which builds these.
We built the previous largest record ships as well. I drove people to an event when Oasis of the Seas launched, iirc.
This somehow seems much taller from this perspective. Bet it's the lense a bit, but also, it's the fact that the ships are so big that driving next to them gives you no sense of their scale. Or height, at least.
Although I know that in comparison to the ferries we actually use, these are humongous.
And even the ferries feel absolutely huge when you're standing on the top deck and looking down at the sea.
I don't have like much thalassophobia or the fear of heights, but leaning over a railing on a cruise ship in the middle of the night to gaze at the abyss really does chill a person a little. I just wonder how that would feel at the top of one of those highers decks. Especially in a storm.
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They're a vacation where everything is taken care of for you. Find a spot, read a book, get all the drinks you want. Need food? Walk over to the chosen food place. Even with thousands of people on board, you can generally find a quiet spot with drinks.
There's all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I've found they're generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it's cheaper. I don't know why.
I'd only go anymore if it's a trip that would show things you generally can't see other ways, such as the coast of Alaska or Norway, or going through the Panama Canal. Caribbean cruises are an absolute waste.
In addition to the stuff the other person said, they can also dodge labor laws and pay people substandard wages, providing inadequate health& safety benefits, and get you close to a high-value location without paying for real estate or contributing to the local tax base.
Cruises are bad. Period.
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If you are talking about the shape (wider on the top than on the bottom), it's not really a problem.
If you are talking about any other thing, you are probably right.
Yeah I mean there's a laundry list but that didn't even cross my mind.
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If they have to get out of the lift, it is at it's lowest position. That means all the weight is in the middle of the platform and the weight of 2 man will not be enough to make the platform flip over.
They will have to jump to the side I suppose. Just step off. Maybe the can even paddle the platform around, I imagine there is at least one piece of rope to manipulate the platform when there is nobody on it.
The lift will go off, the same way it came on. Probably some sort of crane. I cannot imagine they just drove it on there, but maybe they did. Maybe even a forklift with long forks. There are forklifts that could probably handle that kind of weight so far away on the forks.
If it's maintenance they have to do regularly, there might even be a part of the pool tooled for it with arms for the floating block to sit on while they drive the lift on and off normally. Or a ramp with rollers where it gets launched like a boat and a winch to pull it back up the ramp to get out. That last one is my guess, since that whole setup could be portable as long as they had somewhere to anchor the ramp and winch.
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You say it’s working but they haven’t yet gotten back out of the lift nor have they gotten the lift back out of the water.
Some say they are still stuck inspecting those ceiling beams to this very day. It would be the safest pool in the region if it weren't for the giant lift on a raft stuck in it.
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I'm from the city which builds these.
We built the previous largest record ships as well. I drove people to an event when Oasis of the Seas launched, iirc.
This somehow seems much taller from this perspective. Bet it's the lense a bit, but also, it's the fact that the ships are so big that driving next to them gives you no sense of their scale. Or height, at least.
Although I know that in comparison to the ferries we actually use, these are humongous.
And even the ferries feel absolutely huge when you're standing on the top deck and looking down at the sea.
I don't have like much thalassophobia or the fear of heights, but leaning over a railing on a cruise ship in the middle of the night to gaze at the abyss really does chill a person a little. I just wonder how that would feel at the top of one of those highers decks. Especially in a storm.
How big does a wave have to be for a ship of that size to even notice it as anything other than a weight shift?
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How big does a wave have to be for a ship of that size to even notice it as anything other than a weight shift?
I mean I was really concerned about that as well, having been on the ferries which go from Turku to Stockholm. As I said though, they're kinda tiny in comparison. They're not like ferries between France and the UK or Ireland and the UK, but like more cruise ships.
Icon of the Seas is like double the length of the cruise ships I've been on (Vikin Line Isabella ~160m, Viking Line Grace ~218, Icon of the Seas 360m) but the point I made once was that just a medium storm in the archipelago of Baltic Sea, that boat was going kinda hard side to side. As in the water in the pool splashed out like a third or something and you could not walk straight in the hallways. It was bloody fun though, one of my first proper times of getting drunk.
We didn't really realise it at the time with my buddy, but the ~50 year old guy buying us 14-15y olds drinks in a sauna was probably a bit of a nonce.
Anyway, my point was that if those ships go that bendy in the Baltic Sea, wtf would this do in the Atlantic? However, some engineer pointed out that 1) it's gonna be cruising in the Caribbean and 2) the stabilisation tech that's built in a ship so much larger per tonnage is gonna make it way more stable. Plus it's way newer so the tech is better as well.
Because if the pool splashed around as much as the medium size jacuzzi we were in with the nonce, then I'd be scared to go to some of those top pools.
I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember that the guy convinced me.
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Says someone with no anxiety disorder or awareness of the ecological harm they wreak
You're right, I don't have an anxiety disorder. However, I do know the ecological harm they cause. That doesn't make them not fun. Lots of fun things aren't good for the environment.
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Sure they might fall in the concrete, but that would be really obviously about to happen to have the fall.
Or like others have pointed out, they're using equipment designed for this, and probably nothing will happen lol
This equipment is not designed for this at all.
Guaranteed the specs for that lift say that it can only be operated from the ground.
Guaranteed the specs for that dock say that it can not be used as a platform for any kind of equipment, and that it must be used as a "dock" (secured to something) and not a barge.
If your risk assessment is "Probably nothing will happen lol", it's probably a good time to re-think your approach. It's easy to be flippant looking at memes on lemmy, but it's just madness to risk your life so your employer can save a few dollars.
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The only people thinking this looks too risky are the same people who don't understand why ships float and planes fly. They don't understand the natural sciences.
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I get that it looks risky, but I don't really see a problem here. The platform is in undisturbed water, no waves, no sudden changes. If the platform is strong enough, which it seems to be to me, it will not easily tip over.
I've worked on a few lifts like that, and if you manage to tip one over I can only say that you were either really stupid or you were trying to do it. All the weight is at the bottom. They are very stable.
The only way to make them fall over is if your floor is not level while driving. Driving is out of the question in this picture, and as long as both guys stay in the fork lift the center of gravity will not change much.
So the platform will not move, the lift will not move, basically they are fine.
If something was to happen you're fucked though.
And different solutions are available. I've personally been in a different lift that had an arm so the lift would be a the side of the pool and the part where I was standing was elevated above the water. That probably would be a better solution, if you have enough space to get one of those lifts in.
Disagree. The lift is on a gimbal. If the wheels on one side of the lift are 1cm higher than the other, that would move the platform at the top by 8cm or something. If both guys are on one side of the platform that could be enough to make the whole thing tilt by another 1cm at the wheels, and so on.
That lift is not designed to be operated on a plastic barge.
That dock is not designed to carry equipment, certainly not an elevated platform, and is not designed to be operated as a barge.
IDK why there's so many commenters here rushing to defend this kind of practice. Working at height, on equipment not intended for that application is a hard no. Why would you work for an employer that would put you in that situation? This kind of "it's probably fine" risk assessment is just absurd.
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If it works, it's not hybris, is it?
If this unexploded land mine doesn't go off and kill me the moment it gets jostled, then it's not dangerous, is it?
