But I like the secret handshakes of the Illuminati
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I mean there's definitely groups of powerful rich people that aren't widely known. That's just cuz they're smart enough to stay out of the Limelight. It's not a secret society though.
Like Thiel and Ellison. They are pulling the strings like a marionette on our government, but they aren't household names.
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If the rich people control everything then it would be normal to put the spotlight on each one of them once in a while just for society to know who holds the power.
Ain't no "If". There is no need for the people to know who holds the power if they are perfectly capable of maintaining power without the spotlight, which they are. Being in 'the spotlight' would only hurt them because then people would know who to blame.
It's only the ignorant jackasses like Trump and Musk who gained their power by luck who brag about their power, the rest are cunning enough to know better.
I meant it differently. In a democracy, the entire population holds the power. Usually the population would want to know who to blame.
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I meant it differently. In a democracy, the entire population holds the power. Usually the population would want to know who to blame.
In the U.S. we supposedly have a 'Representative Democracy', yet the 'representatives' that keep getting elected are more concerned with what the corporations that 'lobby' them want. I agree, the population does want to know who to blame, but like I said the people in charge (the rich) are cunning enough to let idiot politicians be the scapegoats. Even the politicians are rarely face any consequences. If they happen to represent a constituency that is actually paying attention, they might not get reelected, but that is the exception not the rule here.
Even in some cases where people pay attention, a lot of people have been brainwashed by centuries of propaganda that the mega-rich are good and healthy for a society, and that business interests are more important than human interest, so people commonly vote against their own best interest.
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You can't be widely known and not known at the same time
You know there’s more than one rich person in the world, right?
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You know there’s more than one rich person in the world, right?
There are saddly toooooo many.
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Why does one replace the other?
Ever since 9/11 I've noticed a real push to discredit conspiracy theories to the point where the term now invokes images of lunatics with tin foil hats and insane ideas like lizard people and whatnot.
It's been really effective too. Like, there's things out there that sound bat shit crazy until it turns out they were true - like operation Northwoods for example - but nobody seems to care because they are verified decades later.Sure, there's visible people out there that can be blamed, but why is it so outlandish that there may be more who know how to hide from public scrutiny?
I've always wondered for example, what ever happened to the vast wealth of all these families that feature in every conspiracy theory like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers etc? Are we to believe that they just faded away from public affairs, are no longer important and that the richest men in the world are the newbies, Bezos Elon etc? I've not looked into it or anything (Eddie Bravo style) but somehow I don't buy it, I bet they're still behind major things that are happening today. If anyone has an explanation I'd love to hear it btw. Would love nothing better than a good debunking.
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I meant it differently. In a democracy, the entire population holds the power. Usually the population would want to know who to blame.
The beliefs of the poorest 90% of the population have zero impact on the outcome of public policy debates. We do not live in a democracy.
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No meeting notes, and the participants are basically sworn to secrecy. But once a year the most obscenely wealthy individuals on the planet get together to discuss their own vision for the future. And the location is public knowledge, simply because the insane level of security ensures that nobody who wasn't invited will ever get in.
And whatever they decide, these fuckers absolutely have the power to make it happen. Bet they just fucking laugh their asses off at the various Illuminati conspiracies out there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]And for a confirmed conspiracy led by a secret society of movers and shakers there's Propaganda Due, a now-dissolved Italian Masonic lodge whose members (including future Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi) held high positions in Italy's government, military, intelligence agencies, religious institutions, and news industry.
Many former members still hold a great deal of power even though P2 is known to have had journalists and dissidents assassinated, supported terrorists targeting their own citizens, and were plotting a right-wing coup (one that sounds a hell of a lot like what is happening in the US, for that matter).
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And for a confirmed conspiracy led by a secret society of movers and shakers there's Propaganda Due, a now-dissolved Italian Masonic lodge whose members (including future Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi) held high positions in Italy's government, military, intelligence agencies, religious institutions, and news industry.
Many former members still hold a great deal of power even though P2 is known to have had journalists and dissidents assassinated, supported terrorists targeting their own citizens, and were plotting a right-wing coup (one that sounds a hell of a lot like what is happening in the US, for that matter).
Getting people to hunt for an imaginary boogeyman is remarkably effective at getting them to ignore the villain standing in front of them, isn't it?
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In the U.S. we supposedly have a 'Representative Democracy', yet the 'representatives' that keep getting elected are more concerned with what the corporations that 'lobby' them want. I agree, the population does want to know who to blame, but like I said the people in charge (the rich) are cunning enough to let idiot politicians be the scapegoats. Even the politicians are rarely face any consequences. If they happen to represent a constituency that is actually paying attention, they might not get reelected, but that is the exception not the rule here.
Even in some cases where people pay attention, a lot of people have been brainwashed by centuries of propaganda that the mega-rich are good and healthy for a society, and that business interests are more important than human interest, so people commonly vote against their own best interest.
US government is a democratic republic. In other words, a republic that incorporates some democratic concepts and procedures.
But it is not a democracy.
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What is it with people associating Judaism with secret power? Just because they win a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes?
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's because they're smart and intelligent and dominated a lot of the intellectual circles in the 20th century so with that comes presumedly power. It's 40% conspiracy theory, 20% truth, and 40% the media's ambition to sell juicy headlines.
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Secret Group of Rich People = Poor People, Migrants, and Minorities
wrote last edited by [email protected]nooo don't you see the secret group of rich people wants the immigrants to have a cheap supply of labor force that's willing to work for less and displaces our own white population. we're better, but we can't tell you why. also the immigrants are lazy and are leeching on our subsidies, so we must remove the subsidies for all so the immigrants don't get them. also won't somebody think of the children. it doesn't matter what exactly you think of them, as long as you show you're in control by taking dominance and not letting others choose what to do. also imagine how bad it would be if women could choose how many children to have. we'd all die out. we can't tell you why that would be bad, but the white race must always stay on top. god bless america.
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I agree with this. Also, I think the rich people trying to control the working class don't have a grand conspiracy. Mostly, I think they silently cooperate in a way that looks coordinated, but is just individual self-interest that happens to line up. We get screwed on all fronts by similar-looking corporations, so it looks like a conspiracy.
But when rich people buy politicians, that's a public and well known conspiracy.
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I agree with this. Also, I think the rich people trying to control the working class don't have a grand conspiracy. Mostly, I think they silently cooperate in a way that looks coordinated, but is just individual self-interest that happens to line up. We get screwed on all fronts by similar-looking corporations, so it looks like a conspiracy.
But when rich people buy politicians, that's a public and well known conspiracy.
Mostly, I think they silently cooperate in a way that looks coordinated, but is just individual self-interest that happens to line up.
Plato observed this. It's called oligarchy. He said the good news is that it eventually falls because of the lack of coordination, because oligarchs having their own interests end up conflicting one another. The people also always get fed up with corruption eventually. The bad news is that it will get worse before it gets better.
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US government is a democratic republic. In other words, a republic that incorporates some democratic concepts and procedures.
But it is not a democracy.
The U.S Government is a Democratic Republic, which is a type of Representative Democracy, which is a type of democracy.
In theory this has advantages over a 'pure/direct' Democracy- for example even if 51% of the people voted to ignore the bill of rights, that wouldn't be legal. You would have to amend the constitution to achieve that- which is a lot harder to do than simply getting 51% of the popular vote. In a Direct democracy it would be easier for a majority group to disenfranchise a minority group.
If the US. was ran they way it's supposed to be, we would be a democracy because the government exists to enact the will of the people.
The problem is that our representatives no longer represent us (if they ever really did), so that makes it decidedly less than democratic. That's why I said we were 'supposedly' a Representative Democracy. We are in name only.
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The argument that I heard was "historically, jews weren't allowed in many professions. But lending money was something they could do. So that's how they got rich and with money comes power." But I'm not sure whether that's the 'real' reason...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Crucially, usury (i.e. lending money with interest) was something that Christians could not do. It was considered a sin. Judaism has no problem with it, though.
Since somebody is unlikely to lend you money for free, and loans were a service that people needed, Jewish lenders filled that void and became wealthy.
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I think this sums up pizzagate. The actual evidence was woeful but some high up people got very scared and shut it down.
Shut what down?
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The general difference, though unspoken, is that the kids being "trafficked" in their heads are white middle class suburban kids. A lot of conspiracy simply leads back to antisemitism, white supremacy, or both.
Yes, they don't care about the real victims because those kids have the wrong skin tone.
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Shut what down?
R/pizzagate
Voat
ben swann
Etc.
