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RFK Jr.’s FDA chief says diabetics should take cooking classes instead of insulin

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    Type I and II diabetes (mellitus) are different diseases and insulin use isn’t simple enough that diet recommendations (which every diagnosed diabetic probably already knows) are a magical missing piece for RFK Jr.

    People with type I are deficient in insulin and it’s part of treating the disease right away. Insulin is used for people with type II, who aren’t deficient but can’t use insulin well, later in the disease progression if other treatments are no longer effective.

    If a person with type II diabetes is on insulin, diet was probably treatment number one and has probably already failed or isn’t effective enough.

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    Good point. Some people are born with diabetes. Diabetes-like symptoms can also appear due to Cancer treatment. I think a diet can reduce insulin intake, but I don't think it'll full on make it obsolete.

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      His blood sugar is high! Quickly!

      drags his comatose body to the nearest cooking class

      There we go!

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      Not to be pedantic, but high blood sugar symptoms are more like lethargy, constant thirst, frequent urination, irritability, and at a certain point, straight to coma as the blood turns too acidic (DKA). Nothing as exciting as seizures in there.

      Only because having been around a few people who were diagnosed as adults, and these very basic symptoms were overlooked, so the more people aware of them, hopefully the less people that need to visit the ICU for DKA

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        To be fair, our western diet of mainly cheap non-nutritive carbs suck. America needs desperately to change their diet but when Michelle Obama tried to encourage better eating habits the Republicans attacked her. JFK jr, on the other hand is totally nuts.
        It must have been quit a challenge to find the most incompetent losers to fill the failed, fucked-up, fat, fascist, felon's cabinet.

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        You do know there are different types of diabetes, right? And a lot of different things that can lead to diabetes?

        Some people do get there, in part, due to poor diet, but not everyone.

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          You guys have chips in schools? Bruh...

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          Cheerios are a breakfast cereal. Generally considered a relatively healthy one due to their lack of added sugars.

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          • vandals_handle@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

            Naw, one size fits most is a horrible way to practice medicine. All treatments should be geared to the individuals situation and needs.

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            Naw, one size fits most is a horrible way to practice medicine.

            Um, as human beings, we need a health-promoting lifestyle above all else. Medication should come a long way off from lifestyle intervention for most illnesses, and only as an adjunct to a healthful lifestyle.

            The individual protocols can differ, but you aren't going to make anyone well if you aren't focusing on the foundations of health: exercise, sleep, nutrition, stress management.

            Type-2 diabetes is considered a lifestyle-related illness for a reason. Treating it with meds first is such a "Big Pharma" way of doing things, and it's so harmful.

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              Challenge Accepted.

              Simpsons TV show still where Lisa is holding a book seemingly titled “How to cook humans”

              We’ll get insurers and Medicaid to fully cover diabetes supplies in no time.

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              How many cooked billionaires does it take to satisfy the proletariat?

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                Not to be pedantic, but high blood sugar symptoms are more like lethargy, constant thirst, frequent urination, irritability, and at a certain point, straight to coma as the blood turns too acidic (DKA). Nothing as exciting as seizures in there.

                Only because having been around a few people who were diagnosed as adults, and these very basic symptoms were overlooked, so the more people aware of them, hopefully the less people that need to visit the ICU for DKA

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                Thanks! Fixed

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                  Is a total ban on diabetes medicine on the way? This is an effort to kill anyone who isn't young and fit.

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                  This is an effort to kill anyone who isn't young and fit.

                  Or also chronically ill. I'm (relatively) young and very fit, but I'm also type 1 and require insulin to live. It's eugenics, plain and simple.

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                    Isn't that not how diabetes works?

                    I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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                      Considering that the GOP wants to kill SNAP, it is pretty clear that RFK wants his hands bloodied.

                      This guy, like the rest of that lot, are butchers of the innocent and trusting.

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                        Naw, one size fits most is a horrible way to practice medicine.

                        Um, as human beings, we need a health-promoting lifestyle above all else. Medication should come a long way off from lifestyle intervention for most illnesses, and only as an adjunct to a healthful lifestyle.

                        The individual protocols can differ, but you aren't going to make anyone well if you aren't focusing on the foundations of health: exercise, sleep, nutrition, stress management.

                        Type-2 diabetes is considered a lifestyle-related illness for a reason. Treating it with meds first is such a "Big Pharma" way of doing things, and it's so harmful.

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                        Without medication some people will die, others will be permanently disabled. No amount of lifestyle changes will help them with out medication.

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                          Hey Marty! Every legal resident in the USA should have the same health insurance as you, dumbfuck. That would solve a lot of problems in 3rd World USA.

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                            How many cooked billionaires does it take to satisfy the proletariat?

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                            As many as it takes.

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                              Isn't that not how diabetes works?

                              I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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                              Certain types and situations of diabetes can be effectively controlled with a low (usually very low; ketogenic) carb diet and careful weight management. It doesn't apply to all or even most situations, which is why we use insulin.

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                                Certain types and situations of diabetes can be effectively controlled with a low (usually very low; ketogenic) carb diet and careful weight management. It doesn't apply to all or even most situations, which is why we use insulin.

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                                Also, vegetables have carbs, and you really, really should be eating a lot of vegetables for many reasons.

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                                  Without medication some people will die, others will be permanently disabled. No amount of lifestyle changes will help them with out medication.

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                                  Maybe you are misunderstanding, or maybe I'm not explaining it clearly.

                                  With lifestyle related illness (like type-2 diabetes), the "cure" isn't medication, but a change in lifestyle.

                                  The prevention is also based on a healthy lifestyle, not a shortage of medication.

                                  Therefore, if you want to fix a lifestyle related illness, backed by decades of research, then the priority is to get patients to at least practice a healthy lifestyle.

                                  If you don't, then you're fighting a losing battle, and people will be dependent on medication for their entire life.

                                  That's not to say that medication can't be used during the transition phase to a healthy lifestyle, but doctors who only push meds are doing harm.

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                                    Maybe you are misunderstanding, or maybe I'm not explaining it clearly.

                                    With lifestyle related illness (like type-2 diabetes), the "cure" isn't medication, but a change in lifestyle.

                                    The prevention is also based on a healthy lifestyle, not a shortage of medication.

                                    Therefore, if you want to fix a lifestyle related illness, backed by decades of research, then the priority is to get patients to at least practice a healthy lifestyle.

                                    If you don't, then you're fighting a losing battle, and people will be dependent on medication for their entire life.

                                    That's not to say that medication can't be used during the transition phase to a healthy lifestyle, but doctors who only push meds are doing harm.

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                                    T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                    Some people are genetically predisposed and get T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                                    Some people have a damaged pancreas and develop T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                                    Some people with disabilities can't really change their lifestyle.

                                    The lifestyle change first regimen without medication would kill many.

                                    I understand for many, if not most, the lifestyle change is all that is needed, I even advocate lifestyle changes in another comment. I spent 5 years on an organization committee for the ADA's tour de cure and have given presentations on the ADA's Choose your plate, nutrition for life. You don't need to convince me lifestyle changes are important.

                                    I also know many people that developed T2 in spite of a healthy lifestyle. I know people that would be dead if not for their medications because T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                    Again T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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                                      Isn't that not how diabetes works?

                                      I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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                                      Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

                                      Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                                        T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                        Some people are genetically predisposed and get T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                                        Some people have a damaged pancreas and develop T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                                        Some people with disabilities can't really change their lifestyle.

                                        The lifestyle change first regimen without medication would kill many.

                                        I understand for many, if not most, the lifestyle change is all that is needed, I even advocate lifestyle changes in another comment. I spent 5 years on an organization committee for the ADA's tour de cure and have given presentations on the ADA's Choose your plate, nutrition for life. You don't need to convince me lifestyle changes are important.

                                        I also know many people that developed T2 in spite of a healthy lifestyle. I know people that would be dead if not for their medications because T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                        Again T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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                                        T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                        I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

                                        Are meds needed by some? Yes.

                                        Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

                                        As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

                                        If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

                                        There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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                                          T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                                          I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

                                          Are meds needed by some? Yes.

                                          Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

                                          As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

                                          If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

                                          There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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                                          All true except T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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