you ignore it until you can't anymore
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I always wonder how long they think they will survive after they make it through the apocalypse in their bunkers.
Plus their security team will NOT be loyal. They'll likely put them in shackles or just straight kill them
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speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
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It is just a common thing that it doesn't make interesting news. Same for how many traffic deaths there are.
I don't think so. The media could easily frame this as an alarming existential threat (because it is) and run with that vibe to generate views like they do with the "news" about scary group of "others", but they actively choose not to.
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Seriously why are you acting like using words is so frigging hard.
There’s so much worse shit going on in the world as is the entire point of the discussion and this is the hill your choosing to die on here? Mere inconvenience of learning to just use words?
There are many hills to die on, but I have standards and those standards are important. Just pick a better word next time and move on, it’s not that difficult.
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"yeah but if humans didn't cause it, it's not our fault so we don't have to do anything. it's natural"
That's where the argument has landed and where it will stick.
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I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
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I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don't care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
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Oh good! That makes me very happy.
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That doesn't mean we should stop trying for a better world however.
I'm not implying we shouldn't try. I'm advocating a realistic view of the situation. Too many have their heads in the sand.
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I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don't care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
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I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
"Its a natural solar cycle" is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn't make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the 'grand solar minimum' of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
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Yeah, this battle is, unfortunately, lost. It is now too late to stop what is coming. Keep in mind that the effects we're witnessing are from emissions 10-20 years ago, and the global total continues to rise and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. If you haven't yet, don't procreate. If you have already, don't continue to.
The rich and powerful want us to give up. Mitigation is still possible.
The propaganda has gone from:
"It doesn't exist"
to
"Okay, it does exist, but it isn't caused by humans."
to
"Okay, it is caused by humans, but it's too late to do anything about it now!"
Each one of those has been a lie that serves those in power. Don't buy it.
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I'm not implying we shouldn't try. I'm advocating a realistic view of the situation. Too many have their heads in the sand.
You said that the battle is lost. That sounds like giving up to me.
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"Its a natural solar cycle" is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn't make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the 'grand solar minimum' of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
wrote last edited by [email protected]At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful "you can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" energy.
We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
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French surrender jokes are a British thing, not American.
Ehh, definitely see it a lot in the 'murican zone. Maybe they picked it up from the british, but between the freedom fries and the white flag, the average yankee has a lot of disdain for the frog.
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You're making it worse now the numbers are bigger. Converted into Kelvin and then we'll be okay.
wrote last edited by [email protected]bigger numbers scarier
convert it into kelvin to be more okay
>.<
Something's funky here.
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Okay but why the r-slur
This is something I've been wondering about.
The r-slur is one of the few words that actually bothers fascists.
If you call them a "fascist" they don't care. If you call them a "nazi", they don't care. If you call them a "traitor", some of them care a little bit. These are not insults that get under their skin.
But if you call them a "retrd" or a "fggot", it can really rustle their jimmies. In their minds, these are actual insults.
So if using the slur hurts the fascists more than it hurts the marginalized group, would that usage be justified? Wield the word as a weapon against the fascists, in a way?
I'm not sure, leaning probably not. But if I see ICE in the street I would like something to yell at them that actually bothers them. Maybe "Trump is a kiddie diddler" will work for a little while.
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You want to wall off Victoria and Queensland?
Just thinking out loud here, but around each republican voter in america, each member of the totally-not-nazis party in germany, etc., etc. should do the trick. Make each wall 4 meters high, 1 meter in radius, and completely smooth on the inside. Problem will take care of itself over a few days.
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I hate this messaging because it's so myopic and self centered. There's no call to action and no appeal other than to yourself and your immediate future.
"It" is going to destroy everything I love? No, the system that produced much of what I love is destroying itself. Can I personally stop that? No. Can we collectively change the inevitable outcome that the post describes? No.
Those are the facts, now let's grow up and stop wallowing in our self pity. What can we do? What can we mitigate? Are there extreme measures that are possible today that can soften the landing for future generations?
"But my consumer choices don't blah blah blah..." fuck that, set an example. Stop eating meat, reduce your resource consumption, start caring for the natural environment in your reach. If such simple stuff is too great a sacrifice then just off yourself and make things easier for the rest of us.
If you're upset that a handful of corporations are 90% culpable for this, make them 99%. Then never stop pointing that out to others sharing your sacrifice. Find strength in that unity.
Things will change, it won't be an uphill battle forever. Any apocalyptic events will overturn the human systems that incited them; the human population will be culled to levels that can be sustained. You have the power to guide that no matter how apathetic and powerless you feel.
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You said that the battle is lost. That sounds like giving up to me.
Good for you?
