you ignore it until you can't anymore
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Soooo many other words, just pick a better one.
Seriously why are you acting like using words is so frigging hard.
There’s so much worse shit going on in the world as is the entire point of the discussion and this is the hill your choosing to die on here? Mere inconvenience of learning to just use words?
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Consumer demand never makes a dent on emissions? So if everyone in your city became a vegan overnight, the grocery store would keep on buying the same amount of meat and letting it rot on the shelves?
Wow, I should start selling bridges to grocery store managers
wrote last edited by [email protected]One, that's not a realistic scenario. Two, companies make more money by selling to other companies, not us. This whole thing of blaming the regular people for excess waste and pollution was a ploy by companies to get away with it.
During the pandemic, even tho nobody was using their cars, the amount of pollution from fossil fuels didn't change at all. It was statistically insignificant. That's enough proof to me that blaming us for the sins of unregulated industries is stupid.
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I mean I know people hurt by it personally so I don't use it, to each their own I guess. Surprised that's a hot take though
speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
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Bordeaux today: 43°C feel like: 49°C
As an American, I thought "49° isn't that bad... Wait WTF THAT'S IN CELSIUS?!?"
Never seen temps that high before. Holy shit.
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One, that's not a realistic scenario. Two, companies make more money by selling to other companies, not us. This whole thing of blaming the regular people for excess waste and pollution was a ploy by companies to get away with it.
During the pandemic, even tho nobody was using their cars, the amount of pollution from fossil fuels didn't change at all. It was statistically insignificant. That's enough proof to me that blaming us for the sins of unregulated industries is stupid.
I generally agree with your first point, but you are wrong about pandemic pollution levels.
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We better build a wall, summer is coming. We can staff it with convicts and keep all the illegals out who were unfortunate enough to buy land in the wrong states.
You want to wall off Victoria and Queensland?
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speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
I mean, "nincompoop" is just waiting to make a resurgence.
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That doesn't mean we should stop trying for a better world however.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The Ministry of The Future is a great book.
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I always wonder how long they think they will survive after they make it through the apocalypse in their bunkers.
Plus their security team will NOT be loyal. They'll likely put them in shackles or just straight kill them
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speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
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It is just a common thing that it doesn't make interesting news. Same for how many traffic deaths there are.
I don't think so. The media could easily frame this as an alarming existential threat (because it is) and run with that vibe to generate views like they do with the "news" about scary group of "others", but they actively choose not to.
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Seriously why are you acting like using words is so frigging hard.
There’s so much worse shit going on in the world as is the entire point of the discussion and this is the hill your choosing to die on here? Mere inconvenience of learning to just use words?
There are many hills to die on, but I have standards and those standards are important. Just pick a better word next time and move on, it’s not that difficult.
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"yeah but if humans didn't cause it, it's not our fault so we don't have to do anything. it's natural"
That's where the argument has landed and where it will stick.
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I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
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I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don't care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
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Oh good! That makes me very happy.
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That doesn't mean we should stop trying for a better world however.
I'm not implying we shouldn't try. I'm advocating a realistic view of the situation. Too many have their heads in the sand.
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I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don't care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
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I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
"Its a natural solar cycle" is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn't make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the 'grand solar minimum' of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
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Yeah, this battle is, unfortunately, lost. It is now too late to stop what is coming. Keep in mind that the effects we're witnessing are from emissions 10-20 years ago, and the global total continues to rise and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. If you haven't yet, don't procreate. If you have already, don't continue to.
The rich and powerful want us to give up. Mitigation is still possible.
The propaganda has gone from:
"It doesn't exist"
to
"Okay, it does exist, but it isn't caused by humans."
to
"Okay, it is caused by humans, but it's too late to do anything about it now!"
Each one of those has been a lie that serves those in power. Don't buy it.
