Reeeeeeeeeally hard to stop my self from screaming “I fucking told you so” to all the idiots who insisted Trump would be better for the situation right now

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

2020 total votes for Biden 81,283,501

2024 total votes for Harris 75,017,613

So I was actually over, the real difference was 6.27 Million.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

I haven't seen polls specifically for people who stayed home, but anybody who voted Trump over the economy is just really really dumb.

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

I said DNC voters, not Biden voters. Semantics though. The point is that "she makes me feel joyful" wasn't enough for people to stomach genocide & neocons.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

Like what? Negotiating peace while keeping Israel as a strong militaristic ally in the middle east is the only option for the DNC. If I were running the show I would depose Netanyahu and reorganize Israel military, but if I ran for US president on that platform I'd get fuck all for votes just like Bernie Sanders did in the primaries.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

"I don't want many many more women and children to burn to death trapped under rubble while their families watch" should have been more than enough for people to stomach another Harris administration.

[fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de]

"Peace" isn't really an objective given that you'd have Peace the day after you ground palestinians into the dust.

Netanyahu certainly cares who the president of the United States is, who do you think he wants to be president?

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

Democrat: "Trump is killing more of you than Biden isn't he?"

Palestinian: "No, there is a ceasefire now. We are safer than we were under Biden at the moment. We hope that Trump doesn't help kill 70,000 of us like Biden did."

Democrat: "No I said he's killing more! You must be one of those Russian Palestinian Nazis!"

Palestinian: "Are you okay? Do you need a doctor?"

Democrat: "FU Palestinians! I hope he kills way more!"

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

Source 1

Source 2

Source 3

But yeah keep talking out your ass about how "safe" people are as a result of the ceasefire from before Trump even entered office.

[doorbook@lemmy.world]

Israel Militaristic ally is just another statement that hold no value at all.

US have multiple bases in Jordan with strong ties. Strong relationship with Egypt, Massive base in Qatar, strong ties to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates.

Pretending US need Israel is just a lie. They can literally make it another state and it would be much better option for Palestinians than current situation.

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

I never said that. You're projecting again. 70,000 Palestinians dead under "I'm a proud Zionist" Biden, multiple vetoes by the Biden admin to continue the war, countless statements by Biden subhumanizing Palestinians.

Democrats: "22 Lebanese dead under Trump! That is way more than the 70,000 Palestinians & 2,700 Lebanese killed under Biden!"

[alexanderthedead@lemmy.world]

Acting like Trump is easing up the genocide is fucking delusional.

"Trump is the reason for the ceasefire!!"

Are you intellectually dishonest or just stupid? The ceasefire that has been being planned for months, with literally 0 involvement from Trump, because he literally had 0 authority until like a week ago? Holy fuck.

[gigasser@lemmy.world]

I mean the real question is, yes, genocide doesn't stop either way. But which option lends itself to less oppression of minorities in the US itself? I mean if both sides genocide, but one genocidal side doesn't want to fuck over trans people, but wouldn't you choose the side that doesn't fuck over trans people?

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

https://www.vox.com/politics/395338/trump-credit-gaza-ceasefire-witkoff

"However, there indeed seems to be widespread agreement among diplomats and officials involved that Trump-related factors were quite important in finally spurring the deal to come together — though there are some dueling narratives about exactly why."

If trump said to raise minimum wage, you'd be screaming that we should lower it. Go ahead & lose another election or two by denying facts. Convince yourself that Biden is young & dynamic behind the scenes like the establishment told you to.

[thefonz@lemmy.world]

Eh, was a little more than a resolution that created the state. Cmon now.

[clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Saying, "I told you so" has zero affect. This people didn't reason themselves into their positions and will refuse any reason that would cause them to change their minds.

It was clear months ago these were smart people. Their utter lack of doubt continues to be the reddest of flags.

[alexanderthedead@lemmy.world]

Yeah bro, because hating Trump means I want to gargle Biden's balls. You're a waste of time.

But, for the sake of others reading this:

Trump said that if hostages weren't released, there would be hell to pay in the middle-east. In other words, he applied pressure to HAMAS- but not, you know, the genociders.

Additionally, if you click on the source noting Trump's incoming envoy's vague "involvement", you will note that he had no direct involvement in the negotiations.

Edit: I take it back, tentatively. There was a second reference in the following sentence that elaborated on the Trump admin's involvement. Interesting. Okay. So it seems that they did pressure Israel to agree to a ceasefire.

We'll see how long that lasts, considering the last ceasefire lasted 6 days and all.

[misterscruffy@lemmy.ml]

How would Kamala have been better for Palestine?

[gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works]

He did not secure a ceasefire.

Note that the ceasefire is literally identical to the one the US Department of State proposed the better part of a year ago. The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more. This falls in the same category as Nixon when when he pulled a very similar ploy with Vietnam.

[charapaso@lemmy.world]

But... I'm not okay with giving up one group, nor excusing genocide. We must be having two different discussions, because I got the impression you were advocating for simply rolling over and giving up.

What I was getting at is that participating in an immoral system, only inasmuch as wasting a little time to vote for a lesser evil, can help us achieve our aims when taking action outside the ballot box. It's easier to fight genocide against one group than genocide against many groups, right?

[runawayfixer@lemmy.world]

Also the same category as Reagan's election and the embassy hostages + Iran contra affair. It's part of the standard republican playbook now.