Proton CEO Andy Yen Interview

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Ah, well that's not so good then . . .

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Not defending democrats at all, but didn't Nate Silvers polling engine consistently favor democrats polls? I would say Democrats are loosing because they have created an echo-chamber (of which Nate is a part), in which alternatives are not allowed even if those alternatives are; we shouldn't do a genocide in gaza or hey, actually the most accurate polls have consistently showed Harris losing. If they could actually listen to what their constituents want for once, maybe they could have a majority, but also if Nate Silver could stop inflating their polling they could get a realistic idea of how they are doing with their strategy of telling the proles how they should feel about the perfect, infallible Biden econony and potebtially readjust that strategy or run more popular candidates.

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I think everybody is focusing too much on the word betrayal and not enough on the being a syccophant to a would be fascist. If you don't think thats a problem because, "business," that makes you also a fascism enabler. Just because they are good at the privacy part, doesn't mean a company that cow tows to fascism can ever be seen as safe for antifascists. Currently there is a good alternative; tuta. So why contribute to a company like this. There is massive potential to betray users if they are ideologically opposed to things that proton is coming to represent. If there is the option to divert resources away from projects that express fascist sympathies, its probably wise to do so.

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No, a single dumb tweet doesn't make you a fascist. Running a company that people are supposed to trust with their privacy and security and doubling down on praise for a political party that has been using state surveillance to hunt down people for choices they make with their own bodies as the party of the "little guy" does mean I'm never going to trust you again, though.

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This specific comment thread is focused on that because that was the topic started by the use of words of the first comment.

Nobody has even said that it's not a problem, what was said is that this is not something surprising. This is as silly as thinking that Zuckerberg has betrayed their users because of the changes in moderation policy, as if Facebook was somehow on the side of any particular political ideology other than their own interests. What makes you think tuta is gonna oppose all and every Trump policy including the ones that benefit their stated goal of digital privacy?

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I won't touch anything microsoft with a long pole, so no bitwarden

Just use KeePassXc/Dx as you were meant to

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Convenience shouldn't be prioritized over distribution of services one uses. Single point of failure and all that jazz.

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In 2024, Nate’s model accurately predicted the exact electoral map.

He doesn’t do any polling. He aggregates other pollsters, weights it based on past performance and then uses other factors (he calls them fundamentals) to produce an outcome. And I think it’s misguided to suggest that Democratic leadership is looking at Nate’s polls to reinforce their own positions.

Here’s a quote from a column he wrote for the NYT

It may even feel as though we’re Ping-Ponging between radically different futures, never quite certain what lies around the bend. Yet on the whole in 2024, polling did not experience much of a miss and had a reasonable year. Ms. Harris led by only one point in my final national polling average. And Donald Trump led in five of seven key states, albeit incredibly narrowly. The final polling averages were correct in 48 of 50 states.
The final Times/Siena national poll (including third-party candidates) had Mr. Trump one point ahead. There was plenty of data to support a Trump win.

Remember that the Biden campaign had an internal poll showing Trump winning ~48 states in a total landslide victory, but they maintained that Biden was the best candidate.

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Bitwarden is associated with Microsoft...?

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Those recommendations would probably be more useful to the person who was asking for recs, though it's worth pointing out your solutions to certain things aren't really 1 to 1 alternatives and may not be suitable for someone who's looking for services akin to proton

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At most I think it's hosted on azure. That's it.

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Did you misread Bitlocker? Or was Bitwarden bought my Microsoft? If the latter, i can't find a source.

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Locked with your master key so... no biggie? Or did i miss anything?

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This is the importance of it being open source. If they started shifting away from that then it would raise eyebrows

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You are correct about that, thank you for clarifying

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Not that I can see. I assume it's just an aversion to anything Microsoft profits off of?

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I am aware that he aggregates polls. But actually 2024 his model did so poorly that he said he is retiring that model(good riddance). His polling has been off since he predicted Obama was going to win and I am not sure why anybody needed a model for that outcome.

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I think we are pretty much in agreement here.

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Umm... open source doesn't mean a lot.

Most people don't compile their clients, Proton could potentially compile a malicious version.
If you ever use the web version, they could send you a malicious javascript.
Sure, you can compile your clients, but even then, most incoming email are not end to end encrypted, Proton has access to the plaintext of almost every email you receive, things like password reset links, verification codes, etc...
They could also log any metadata. IP addressed, time of access, email address that you sent to and receive from.

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Ah, gotcha. Yeah I can't say that really bothers me too much...

I'm not sure there are really any big names in that space that don't suck anyway. Like the other two I'm familiar with are google and Amazon, and they're hardly saints.

A "roll your own" solution with keepass and something to sync might sidestep that problem but is hardly a drop in replacement that appeals to all the same users

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Proton CEO Andy Yen Interview