do you think we are going into ww3?
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Maximum profit is extracted being in a perpetual state of "will they/won't they WWIII" which is why we'll be right here in this mood for a long time..
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I don't think the PRC will be taking on the mantle of "Empire." Hegemon, sure, but their strategy thus far has been starkly different from the British and US Empires with respect to the Global South. The current US Empire dominates the Global South largely through massive Financial Capital and control of the World Reserve Currency, and is largely de-industrialized, while the PRC focuses more on selling to other countries as a heavily industrialized country. For example, in the US, "Made in USA" is a rarity, and usually just assembled in the USA, while in China "Made in China" goods are by far the norm.
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Ww3 is too high risk due to nukes, but it will get to that point and hopefully not over it
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We've been in it for decades it's just more covert and low intensity. The war never stops until we overthrow capitalism I'm afraid
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I feel like we're already in WW3 but everyone has to pretend we're not to avoid escalating it to nuclear.
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Mmm if Iran and Israel really start to go at it, I could absolutely imagine Trump finding a way to use nukes on Iran. He wants to use the nukes.
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It's possible none of those would technically be WW3 by itself, perhaps the start of heavier US commitment in the first of those conflicts might be perceived as the opportunity for the others to get started. Maybe even some less obvious conflicts are merely waiting for NATO to be preoccupied (e.g. random colonies being invaded or declaring independence). The US will be forced into taking at least one L, or switching back to a war economy.
- India vs Pakistan
- ISIS expansion
- Water Wars (multiple locations)
- USA invading Mexico
- Syrian Civil War
- Greenland War
- IDK if Denmark can defend Greenland, but NATO could article5/split
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India vs Pakistan
not plausible, neither of them are that stupid
Afghanistan vs. Pakistan, or Iran, is infinitely more likely. Pashtun supremacists (yea the Taliban) are actually stupid af
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Already there
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I sure hope so
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UK went through industrialization leading to its empire, and the US was the industrial power during its ascent. Same thing with Japan before WWII.
Many imoeralistic powers seem to go through big industrial growth before expansion.
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Sure, but that evidently doesn't seem to be the course the PRC is taking. Rather, as Marxist-Leninists, they appear to be more interested in building up the Global South through favorable trade deals as an investment in future customers for their exports. This is fundamentally a different strategy from focusing on exporting financial and industrial Capital to the Global South. Further, China is too populous to offload their productive forces to the Global South, even if we doubt them as dedicated Communists it doesn't appear to be an economically viable strategy to adopt an Imperialist stance to begin with.
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As the Axis, yes
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Not saying any of these would cause WW3, but remeber that, depending on who you ask, WW2 started:
- when Germany and Russia invaded Poland in 1939
- when Germany invaded Checkoslovakia in 1938
- when Japan invaded China in 1937
there is no single point of start for a war, just many actions of variable intensity that escalate
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In the long term, yes. The bourgeoisie are rich and comfortable with no desire for a war that could jeopardize their position. However, they have lots of financial incentives for military spending because it's rife with corruption. As such, they do a lot of saber-rattling to make WWIII seem like a genuine possibility, while also fighting in proxy wars around the globe.
But the problem is, they're playing with forces beyond their control. If you have a generation raised on constant propaganda to genuinely hate other countries, then all it takes is a couple people in the wrong positions at the wrong time who aren't in on the game. Right now, the rabid dog is on the leash of the bourgeoisie, but the gamble they've been making is that they can keep pumping steroids into it forever and never lose control.
Furthermore, wasting all this money on war and militarism has allowed China to emerge as a credible threat to their global hegemony. China is sitting back and focusing on domestic economic development, and they are winning the peace while the US burns itself out. What happens when the only area in which the US has an advantage is the military? Are people really going to accept becoming #2, or are they going to force a confrontation? Given that we're talking about Americans, who are 1) Riled up on propaganda, 2) Preoccupied with being "#1," and 3) Unused to experiencing the effects of fucking around firsthand, it seems almost inevitable. Ofc, it's true that we somehow maintained a Cold War with the USSR for decades, but it's different today because conditions are declining and the far-right is growing stronger every day.
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Belt and roads is China's attempt to do exactly what we've been doing with the global south, invest for influence and put them on a debt treadmill. Build infrastructure, pressure them to take on more debt with new projects, say it's time for austerity, open up more foreign investments, use pressure to buy up raw resources, etc
It's worth mentioning Coca-Cola... You can get American products everywhere, opening them up as a new market isn't a different strategy, it's part of the process
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Is there actual evidence of these debt traps, or is that just an assumed motivation? Again, China's financial Capital is largely held by the State, not private entities. Big difference in motivation compared to, say, US finance Capital, which is largely Private.
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I think some would argue that class warfare is a cold war already happening.
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This war is about control, not by weapons but by controlling minds. It's fairly obvious. Social media forms opinions. It's also full of bubbles where people get reinforcement for their existing beliefs. What people believe doesn't matter so much, just that their beliefs are shaped by social media.
Social media platforms are controlled by big tech algorithms, so they in turn control what information should surface. On computers and phones, you have survellience apps running (called AI) that collects information about each users private life. This is all combined with other info to build an accurate profile of everyone having a device using social media or the web.