NATO: There was officially a Russian plot to kill European weapons chief

[howru68@lemmy.world]

In case you wanna know whom they were trying to kill; it was Armin Papperger, the head of German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall.

[catloaf@lemm.ee]

From the linked article:

there had been no concrete attempt to murder Papperger but rather a "plot."

Meh. Every country draws up plans like these all the time. It's not really news unless they move to act on it.

[gravityowl@lemm.ee]

Typical exaggeration by the media then.

The US too drafted a plan to invade the Netherlands "just in case" the International Court decided that the US should follow international law.

I'm guessing a slow news day at Politico

[howru68@lemmy.world]

You mean, another day in Europe when we are both continuously threatened by our so-called ally and sabotaged by Russian/Chinese plots . Sure/s.

[themightycanuck@sh.itjust.works]

Comparing strategic war plans to state sponsored assainations of private citizens..

Gold medal in mental gymnastics

[tal@lemmy.today]

The US too drafted a plan to invade the Netherlands

No. The US, at one point, stated that it would use any and all means necessary to prevent ICC prosecution of US servicemembers.

[gravityowl@lemm.ee]

to state sponsored assainations of private citizens.

You're talking about the US' policy abroad here, right?

Comparing strategic war plans

Or is this your attempt at justifying drafting plans to invade a friendly country?

Either way...whatever you gotta tell yourself

[gravityowl@lemm.ee]

The US, at one point, stated that it would use any and all means necessary to prevent ICC prosecution of US servicemembers...

...including, but not limited too, carrying an offensive attack on a friendly NATO country, to cover up any possible attempts at justice.

Nice effort at jedi mind tricking your way around it lol

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

TBH I kind of wish they uncovered the crime in progress than the plot, an excuse to bring NATO in and end the brutal Russian oligarchy would be a boon to this world.

[zron@lemmy.world]

I am not so excited for the nukes.

My house is inside the blast radius of a hydrogen bomb dropped on the middle of the nearest city. So if that happens, I’ll just turn to dust and that would be nice.

Unfortunately my job is far enough away that I would get to be one of the people whose eyes boil and skin turns black before they die from the burns.

Can we schedule WW3 for when I’m at home. Would rather just be vaporized.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

They Sabre Rattled yesterday and they will Sabre Rattle tomorrow, but we cannot just start giving land and human sacrifices to thugs or the thugs will become our kings.

[themightycanuck@sh.itjust.works]

Yes any state sponsored assainations of private citizens (especially indirectly associated citizens) should be protested. Including the US'sactions... But that's not what we're here to talk about now is it?

Also, completely valid to draft plans to invade anyone. Acting on those plans are where the line is crossed.

[themightycanuck@sh.itjust.works]

He's not 'jedi mind tricking' you. He's correcting you moving the goal post to suit your argument.

You stated they had plans. A political threat and drafting invasion plans are two VASTLY different things.

[0x0@infosec.pub]

Weirdly enough Im kinda alright with weapon merchants or anyone similar involved in profiteering from war taking a personal toll in it themselves.

Didnt Ukraine assasinate some russian missile specialist a while back with the west applauding it after finding out? Dont play games you dont want to have a part in seems highly fitting here. There are plenty of other ways to make a decent living.

[ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I think it’s sick that people downvote this in the name of civility. I understand people not wanting to make a super solid link between wealthy magic bean salesmen and societal issues and seeing it as a slippery slope, but the weapons industry? Fucking come on.

If you profit from the most literal form of human suffering, you are a statistical outlier even among outliers. I can’t think of many less ethical things to enrich yourself from than making the world a deadlier place.

[_cnt0@sh.itjust.works]

It's not out of civility, and I think there are good reasons to dislike Armin Papperger; for example him being a filthy stinking rich CEO and him allowing deals with non-European countries. But, we need our militaries and we need our weapons industry. The military aid we sent to Ukraine did not materialize out of thin air. The pacifist position of "war bad, weapons bad, people making weapons bad" is infantile. If we stopped making weapons, Russia, or someone else, would waltz right in. Our military (and by extension the weapons industry) is what enables any of our diplomacy to not be completely ignored by nuclear bullies like Russia. A Russian plot to kill Armin Papperger is an attack against us, Germany, the west, NATO, not him individually.

[ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

My country is being invaded illegally right now with zero consequences, I know what you are saying. But there should be zero way to profit from war, from an ethical standpoint these industries would ideally be nationalized and kept far far away from profiteers.

I know exactly what “peace” with the apartheid Nazis taking a fresh bite out of my homeland means, I’m not oblivious to that flavor of “pacifism” that gets promoted by the slimiest characters. You’re pushing back against a point I never made. I empathize with a lot of the sentiment supporting Ukraine specifically because I feel like that country’s relationship with Russia is in some ways analogous to our relationship with Hafez and Bashar’s Syria.

Arguably we need the weapons more. The countries controlling the world’s economic and social levers are more than willing to punish Russia, great, but then bend over backwards, and even spit in the face of their commitments to the ICJ, because we’re just in the way of a modern colonial project. I’ll take the guns in a heartbeat. I just believe it’s an unethical thing to privatize, monetize, and eventually promote to keep the numbers going up.

[fallowseed@lemmy.world]

going after billionaires and weapons chiefs... the west will never sing that!

[fuck_the_yanks@endlesstalk.org]

"Any means necessary" is a direct threat toward the Netherlands and if they had any balls they would take it as what it is - a cassus belli.

We should sanction that shit rogue country real quick

[adminsquick@endlesstalk.org]

Wow the admins are fast today. So much enthusiasm to stand up for war profiteering, it's beautiful to see.

I hope the US invade the netherlands lmao imagine all the dead yanks.