Microsoft Probing If DeepSeek-Linked Group Improperly Obtained OpenAI Data

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Somebody better call the WAHMBULANCE!

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So the suggestion from @[email protected] will just increase their revenue

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yeah xerox invented the GUI and mouse

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In Brazil, there's a rhymed saying: "ladrão que rouba ladrão tem 100 anos de perdão", it translates to "a thief that steals from a thief has 100 years of forgiveness"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcb-XF1RPQ

The relevant part of Pirates of Silicon Valley. After which you should watch the whole thing. It’s fan fiction, but it’s the best explanation of what happened between Apple and Microsoft leading into the 1990s.

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What’s the game plan if they did?

Trade restrictions?

China already proved those did fuck all to stop them from developing their own model.

Ducking knew this ai bubble would burst sooner or later, just glad we can finally get on with it now.

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What data? they one OpenAI illegally obtained first?!

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Stealing from theives isn't a crime.

Especially not when China turns around and Robin Hoods it back to the world.

Just saying.

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It's a common proverb in Portuguese, not just in Brazil.

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Lol its like fucking lavrov from fucking russia screaming "this is against international law" when Europe froze their assets.

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No AI company has ever made any of their own content to train their models, they took what others created, remixed it, and presented it as something new.

This AI model did the same thing.

AI lost its job to AI.

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Actually, it was invented by Douglas Engelbart in Stanford in the 60s

https://dougengelbart.org/content/view/162/000/

Xerox (re)made it for the PC in the 80s.

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Ah TIL! I didn't know it originated elsewhere.

So while it's true Apple and Microsoft got the idea from Xerox, Xerox didn't originate it.

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Yes, but that doesn't mean it is more efficient, which is what the whole thing is about.

Let's pretend we're not talking about AI, but tuna fishing. OpenTuna is sending hundreds of ships to the ocean to go fishing. It's extremely expensive, but it gets results.

If another fish distributor shows up out of nowhere selling tuna for 1/10 the price, it would be amazing. But if you found out that they could sell them cheap because they were stealing the fish from OpenTuna warehouses, you wouldn't argue that the secret to catching fish going forward is theft and stop building boats.

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Surely they'd like some cheese to go with that whine?

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Isn't the OpenAI one they offer the same one as the one provided at https://chatgpt.com/ without login? So probably something not as impactful.

Or do they share their unlimited subscription?

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Yes, I would.

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So what happens when OpenTuna runs out of fish to steal and there are no more boats?

Information doesn't stop being created. AI models need to be constantly trained and updated with new information. One of the biggest issues with GPT3 was the 2021 knowledge cutoff.

Let's pretend you're building a legal analysis AI tool that scrapes the web for information on local, state, and federal law in the US. If your model was from January 2008 and was never updated, then gay marriage wouldn't be legal in the US, the ACA wouldn't exist, Super PACs would be illegal, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau wouldn't exist, zoning ordinances in pretty much every city would be out of date, and openly carrying a handgun in Texas would get you jailtime.

It would essentially be a useless tool, and copying that old training data wouldn't make a better product no matter how cheap it was to do.

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Once tuna runs out, and we run out of boats?

Maybe we then stop destroying the tuna population?

Or, to bring this back to point: the environment will be better off once the AI bubble collapses.

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They didn’t steal it from Smith & Wesson?

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Microsoft Probing If DeepSeek-Linked Group Improperly Obtained OpenAI Data