Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

[superkret@feddit.org]

Has no one told them that EVs don't work when it's cold?

/s

[bronzie@sh.itjust.works]

This is true, but the batteries do not suffer any harm by being used when cold, just charging which we by now agree is not an issue as long as the car heats them up first.

They also expell heat by being used, so they are nice and toasty for when you reach you destination and can plug in.

[twig@sopuli.xyz]

they generally are obtained through slave and child labor in third world countries.

Isn't that for pretty much everything?

[majorllama@lemmy.world]

Yes and no. It depends on what material you are specifically looking for.

For the grand majority of materials needed in an ICE vehicle we have had "ethical" sources for everything for awhile now. Which makes sense the industry has had 100 years to clean up its image as much as they cared to.

The materials needed specifically for large lithium batteries are still currently gathered primally in places where human rights aren't even considered. People are working on getting that changed, but last time I checked it was still really bad.

[korbs@lemmy.sudovanilla.org]

I remember using Google Street View in Norway, every single corner you turn...there's an EV!

[nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee]

I swear all my coworkers keep asking what I'm going to do when my battery dies in the cold smfh

and even my wife still has range anxiety despite traveling half of I-95 multiple times

[idkwhatusernametoputherelolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Really? No~r~ Way!

~(sorry~ ~for~ ~the~ ~terrible~ ~joke~ ~lol)~

[tja@programming.dev]

Batteries don't stay at 0C very long... Because you heat them up. It's a known and solved problem.

[refreeze@lemmy.world]

This was such a big worry of mine, but I'm only down 12% average versus the summer and I live in Canada.

[gammelfisch@lemmy.world]

Norway progresses while the USA regresses going full fucking 3rd World with Orange Nero.

[nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee]

yeah on a recent trip it went from like 2.8 mi/kw to 2.3 mi/kw as the weather went from above to below 0 C but the way you hear some people tell it if the snow falls you'll be stranded at work and won't be able to drive ten miles home

[monkemischief@lemmy.today]

Reminds me of an oilfield... Town? Region? Camp? My uncle told me about called "Dead Horse, Alaska". It gets so cold there they need to keep the diesel equipment fueled and running constantly or it doesn't come on again without major intervention.

Sounds absolutely nuts to me, but I guess spreadsheets say the black-gold more than pays for burning nasty fuel 24/7 just to be there.

[lootboblin@lemmy.world]

No, crude oil and natural gas amount to 62% of the total value of Norway’s exports of goods in 2023. Oil still keeps that country rich.

[spacehooks@reddthat.com]

Norway selling their trash

[johnedwa@sopuli.xyz]

They don't withdraw a lot, but having it means they don't have a need to tax all the things just in case either and they can take a hit today to plan for a better future. That is to say, EVs in Norway are exempt from vehicle taxes, import duties, registration fees and get all kinds of other benefits too making them way cheaper in comparison to ICE cars.

[kecessa@sh.itjust.works]

Most things have a 25% sales tax on them + 22% flat rate for income tax. How much taxes are billionaires paying in the US?

Again, blame the fund all you want, in the end the problem is other countries not jumping at the opportunities presented to them to build a similar fund.

It was inspired by Alberta's heritage fund (which obviously existed before Norway's), Alberta has a much bigger oil reserve and has extracted way more oil than Norway. How much do they have in their version of the fund? Less than CAD $30B. Instead of investing for the future they decided to cut all sales taxes and to lower income taxes as much as they realistically could while still offering public services.

The same logic can apply to any government that has natural resources to manage and decides not to nationalize it to invest for the future.

[johnedwa@sopuli.xyz]

No clue, I'm from Finland where our VAT is 25.5%, income tax is higher than in Norway, and our vehicles are some of the most expensive, and also the oldest, in Europe

[bstix@feddit.dk]

What is the efficiency of an internal combustion engine in cold weather, for comparison?

At least the EV starts every damn time.

[frezik@midwest.social]

Also Norway is cold and EVs do not do well in the cold. Especially with current battery technology.

HOLY SHIT WHY HAS NOBODY SAID THIS BEFORE OR ADDRESSED IT IN ANY WAY!!!!!

[lipilee@feddit.nl]

and, shocker, it was even less than "less than 1%" before electric cars were invented!