U.S. tariffs on Mexico to be paused for a month, Trump says

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I don’t see how this is a loss for trump. He got Mexico to do something he presumably wanted.

Businesses like predictability. Even if something is going to be expensive in the future, businesses are okay with that as long as they know its coming and can plan/make changes. What trump did was the exact opposite. He introduce uncertain and has lost trust with the largest businesses in the world.

Some of his biggest supporters and enablers and big business. He just dropped his pants and took a shit in their backyard with this.

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Mexico has essentially agreed to pay tribute, now it's a matter of finding out the price. Yes I call that a Trump win. Produce keeps coming in and he gets to take credit for whatever Mexico agrees to.

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This is all a matter of perspective. Did he achieve anything meaningful? Of course not. Did he get Mexico to respond to an action that he did? Yes. Can he use the response (doesn't matter what it is) to say his action is working? Yes. Again he doesn't care about the response, Trump cares about optics.

Do the same thing with Canada. Trump impressed an action (the tariffs) that caused a response (Canada to implement their own tariffs). Can we apply the same logic to the opposite response? Did Canada do something(again doesn't matter what) to an action trump did? Yes they did. Trump can now spin it and say look it's working.

Of course, it's working at doing something. Eroding our relationships with our neighbors. But he can spin it to his base anyway he wants because he can claim they did "it" (again the it is just the response, doesn't matter what response) because of an action he took (imposed the tariffs).

His base is only looking at what Trump says not what was done. So if Trump claims it was successful, they believe it.

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No idea, I'm not even sure Trump knows what he wants. It seems like a fishing expedition to me. Throw out some wild tarrifs and see what happens.

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Sorry... as long as nations don't ignore him, it's a win? Is that really what you're saying?

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Paid tribute? What are you even talking about?

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I'm an idiot, thanks for the clarification

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No business is ok with arbitrarily paying more, even if it is predictable. That's why they built factories in Mexico in the first place, because it was cheaper. Businesses also aren't a monolith in their preferences, Amazon would happily take 4 years of chaos if it forces many competitors out of business. Similarly musk/Tesla isn't ready to compete with other car companies (US, EU, or China) actually trying to make EVs, more chaos on his competition is great for him.

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The only source in this article is Trump saying this is what happened. Don't trust what Trump is saying directly. He's already previously mislead to make it seem like other countries caved when they really did almost nothing

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An idiot would've argued back without verifying. So not an idiot.

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How????
The cheeto wanted us (México) to be more aggresive as their lower border to prevent migrants from coming over... we agreed to his terms and we got a single month to comply, how is that him getting whipped? He got what he wanted, he bent us over (just like the expresident from the same party in power).
Even worse, this will only encourage him to ask for more things since he can get away with it.

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Sadly other news sources reported it. Dumb move from Mexico that will give the orange bully more power over them and others.

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Canada may hold out longer than you think. "Go fuck yourself Trump." seems to be the prevailing public sentiment.

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No, I guess I should have explored that option as well. The lack of response is still a response. So Trump can still claim to his base" see it's working" and claim it as a win.

I know it's difficult to imagine that in stakes so large, countries economies (hell the world economy) can be manipulated in such a way that no matter what factually and verifiability happens, it can be spun in a way to say it's a win and there's a group of people that take it at its face and says "yay! Keep going!"

Other countries are in a damned if you, damned if you don't situation. As are the rest of the United States citizens that don't support these actions (or can't see them because they are believing the president of the US when he says "we're winning"). The only thing we can do at this point is try to wake up trump supporters and hope that is done in time to affect change.

If not, we are at the mercy of whatever he does. Complaining about it and pointing out how obvious it is, does nothing. Go talk to some people that support him. Families that voted him in and have illegal immigrants in their family are getting a hard dose of that wake up call in their own. But until we get so many people that can't be ignored, nothing will happen. It will become similar to Russia where the state controls the media and everything is a "win", even invading acountry that did nothing to provoke invasion.

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No business is ok with arbitrarily paying more, even if it is predictable. That’s why they built factories in Mexico in the first place, because it was cheaper.

You stopped reading mid sentence apparently. The rest of my sentence in my post was "businesses are okay with that as long as they know its coming and can plan/make changes." Those changes could be moving manufacturing, scaling different product lines, finding substitutions for what those forecasted more-expensive inputs are, etc. The factories in Mexico a response to a predictable rising labor market in the USA. So yes, manufacturers were okay with paying higher costs in the USA temporarily while the Mexican factories were set up or expanded.

Businesses also aren’t a monolith in their preferences,

True, but they largely follow the same trends. Outliers are outliers by definition.

Amazon would happily take 4 years of chaos if it forces many competitors out of business.

If its a sure thing, probably, but with Musk as President Amazon is just as likely to be hurt by the next 4 years. Musk is no fan of Bezos and Musk has a history of taking personal grudges into business dealings. (see Musk suing his own twitter advertising customers)

Similarly musk/Tesla isn’t ready to compete with other car companies (US, EU, or China) actually trying to make EVs, more chaos on his competition is great for him.

Musk has poisoned the previous good name of Tesla among its customers. Tesla opponents weren't buying Tesla before, and now former Tesla proponents aren't either. He's pissing off the countries governments where he is trying to make inroads, and now handling the reigns of government pissing off future possible customers. There is nothing Musk is doing right now that is helping Tesla. He is only hurting them.

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You're missing what I'm saying

They're giving Trump's spin in reporting inadvertently or not

They're not providing context for how much of a change Mexico actually is making

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Delaying something as big as tariffs by a month is not some kind of epic loss.

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Throw out some wild tarrifs and see what happens.

Do you think that is a good way to run the most powerful nation on Earth?

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So say we all

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U.S. tariffs on Mexico to be paused for a month, Trump says