Is it me or Ubuntu secretly replaces DEB Firefox with Snap Firefox?

[satanclaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Solve the problem. Drop ubunutu

[doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml]

Yes. That was the last straw for me. I switched to debian stable, and haven't looked back since

[fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de]

Hah! Me too, exactly this.

[amaterasu@lemmy.world]

No defending Ubuntu but wasn't this clarified to be Mozilla's deploying it via Snap and requesting to remove the apt installation?

[morphit@feddit.uk]

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

Because not everyone wants to spend their time babysitting an OS and Ubuntu has a 20-year track record of dependability.

[bluescreenofdeath@lemmy.world]

It takes a little more than just adding a different repository to your package manager, you have to tell apt which to prefer:

echo '
Package: *
Pin: origin packages.mozilla.org
Pin-Priority: 1000

Package: firefox*
Pin: release o=Ubuntu
Pin-Priority: -1' | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozilla

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

Exactly. Enough with the inane conspiracism.

[goodeye8@lemm.ee]

Why even enable snaps? It's like asking to have headaches.

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

Well then you haven't been following it closely. As someone else said, the reason is simple: the Snap version is more recent (like it or not) and in Ubuntu apt is configured to take into account Snap packages.

[juxtaposedjaguar@lemmy.ml]

It's more than that. Ubuntu copies the Debian repos and then applies their own changes on top. Debian has a native (DEB) Firefox package, so Ubuntu specifically has to remove it for every new version.

[juxtaposedjaguar@lemmy.ml]

It's a dilemma; most Windows and Mac users would benefit from that kind of locked-down, idiot-proof format. Even having the choice of multiple repos is too much for them. So while I personally hate it, that's what most people (i.e. non-Linux users) want and need.

I recommend Ubuntu as the beginner distro for everyone, but with the hope that they eventually drop the training wheels and switch to Debian.

[juxtaposedjaguar@lemmy.ml]

Debian testing just isn’t a very good rolling release disto

What makes you say that?

[pebbles@sh.itjust.works]

I agree Ubuntu is the easy choice. You can totally find a desktop you don't have to baby sit, but Ubuntu has the marketing to help you find them and feel safe.

I've had no issues with fedora, I've been running it for about a year.

[decker108@lemmy.ml]

You could compile it from source yourself, and you won't even have to worry about packaging and package managers.

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

Exactly. But I would go further. I think Linux needs flagship distros with big solid institutions behind them, and it needs us to support those distros by using them. I know this is not an popular opinion here.

I see those flagship distros precisely as Fedora and Ubuntu.

[morbidcactus@lemmy.ca]

While I get that, Debian fits that role extremely well.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I think fedora is best for user that want a recent kernel and reasonably fast update cycle (like not a year behind) but are not interested in rolling (for whatever reason ever).

I love rolling and had no issues due to rolling yet

[petter1@lemm.ee]

How did you get snap on mint?! I once tried it as a noob and mint was always “snap bad! Don’t do this! You will regret” even on try to circumvent it

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

I was waiting for this! Debian is great. I used it for years. But IMO it's not polished enough for normies. The website is fugly and the onboarding funnel assumes too much knowledge. The installer, last time I tried it, was glitchy and unintuitive. I think that techies underestimate how offputting even ostensibly minor issues like this will be to ordinary users. Also, Debian has a ton of unmaintained packages (altho I gather that something is being done about this). Debian is fundamentally amateur in the best and unfortunately worst senses. I think a Linux flagship distro needs to be more pro and systematically thought out. For that, it's always going to help to have a big company or organization behind it.