Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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Sorry about all these people man. And I am so fucking sorry about what’s happening in your country. Been protesting it for 15 or so years now in Canada and it seems to have done fuck all. And you can’t even talk to liberals about it because they’ve gone totally mask off about caring about young guys. I don’t know what to say man.

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Nobody was going against it before. What don’t you guys understand about this?

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I didn't insult you either. It seems like you both really want me to, but I have no interest in doing so.

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If you can't see how what you said was rude, I think you have big problems.

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I’ve contacted MLA’s and MP’s about it for every single federal and provincial election for the last 15 years as well and going to protests regularly to stop this shit. It doesn’t work because liberals won’t also pressure politicians and instead would call out leftists for not supporting the right genocide candidate.

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Got it, everyone give up and don't push politicians to do the right thing because it doesn't work.

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Ive done protests with lots of Palestinian Canadians, and I know exactly what they think. YOURE the one being presumptuous here, and even in this thread you’re trying to discounting what an actual Palestinian is saying to you. You’re fucking delusional man.

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Just because I'm far inferior to you doesn't make it okay to insult me. Especially when it's an insult about something that isn't true and there are far more actual terrible things you could insult me over.

I mean if you're determined to insult me, at least do it over something I deserve.

I can help you out, if you'd like.

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They don't have to fight the US, they just have to help the north secede from the south.

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Your mistake is in thinking the parties are different in any meaningful way when it comes to israel. Our votes are powerless in the face of lobbying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM

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You break it, you buy it. Let's move the Israeli officials to Gaza and let the Palestina citizens live in Jerusalem. ^/s

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So you’re painting me with the broadest brush imaginable because you can only think in binary terms.

Because I hold the belief that not voting for Kamala Harris wasn’t the immoral choice, that must mean I’m just like everyone you’re imagining? You don’t know me, A. And B., I never said I did or didn’t vote one way or another.

I’m just so sick of this attitude I see all over lemmy. It’s the opposite of critical thought. It’s shouting “I was right” into a cave because you know you’ll hear your opinion validated and your ego stroked.

I just think if people here cared about the genocide and ending it, your position wouldn’t be so focused on you. It wouldn’t be so focused on the election that’s already over and how right you all were. When news came across your feeds about genocide and suffering, you wouldn’t frame it with your own personal choices.

Because that is essentially throwing your hands up and saying, “well, my plan didn’t work, and it didn’t work because these people.”

You all spend so much time back patting and laying blame at the feet of people who are against the genocide, that you’re driving a wedge into the anti genocide movement. Strictly for your own personal gain.

At that point, you’re not anti-genocide, you’re anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

That is and has been my only point since I made a comment in this thread. I knew I was going to face a bunch of these types of comments, but I thought I’d be able to get my point across. And my point is that you need to take your heads out of the election and work with, not against, the working class. Because your allegiance to an ownership class representative proving you were right in your support doesn’t mean a goddamn thing when we’re talking about a fucking genocide.

That’s what I’m trying to get you all to see. Because this echo chamber here where the prevailing thought is “undecideds are the enemy!” is so incredibly self-defeating and self-serving. Self-defeating if the end to the genocide is really what you want, and self-serving because it puts you on a high horse while shedding any and all responsibility.

Changing that outlook is my entire point in this viper pit.

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It's a thread hand-wringing and vote shaming. Trump is a disgusting fascist. I'm angry there isn't opposition to him. I'm angry about how close democrats are to republicans.

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At that point, you’re not anti-genocide, you’re anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

I didn't visit any politician's offices in the last two weeks since I'm new in the country we just fled to, but I still made sure to dedicate three hours last week to both emails and phone calls to various politicians. So I guess you're right. I am anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

What would you suggest I do?

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This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won't be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

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As I said, I haven't seen an ounce of compassion from you for all the brown and queer people facing a genocide in the U.S. right now.

You couldn't even sum up a "I feel bad for them" after I pointed that out, so I guess that shows what and who you think should be ignored.

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Hold your tongue? This is a comment section. Say it.

I’m trying to have a nuanced discussion here. Because I think it’s important. If you think throwing insults or something (why else would you need to “hold your tongue?”) is your response, then do it.

I joined this discussion to make my point because I think we’re all (supposedly) on the same side. And I think there is good to be found in a discussion between people on the same side not seeing eye to eye at the moment. I think that driving a wedge in the anti genocide side of the fence (because this is either a pro-genocide or anti-genocide discussion…right?) is wrong. And I want people to stop doing it. And I think the reason they’re doing it is a very self-serving reason.

That’s not an attack of you all. It’s…an opinion. And, like I said, this is a comment section.

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So since the both sides made it inevitable you really just want it over with faster then, by helping to choose the person who will make sure it's accomplished faster and with less compassion? You went with the one more likely to start doing the same thing on US soil? This is the choice you endorse?

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Well, since this discussion is about solidarity in the anti-genocide movement, as I’ve said many times, I would suggest everyone (and, excuse me if I mislabeled you as being against my initial point, but I’m having a discussion with a bunch of people) that you all stop trying to scapegoat other people who don’t want to see a genocide happen. Do all you want personally, that’s all great. But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

Stop driving a wedge in the movement by high roading people who want the same thing you do. There’s a huge rash of this behavior, and that’s what I’m trying to call out. You can do all the good you want, but if you then go into the community to salt the earth behind you for all those who want what you do, you’re negating any good you’ve done.

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But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

I said no such thing, nor did I even imply such a thing.

If you want to tell people to stop things, tell yourself stop including me in the things you're saying about other people.

I do a shitload to try to stop this genocide with what is in my extremely limited power and I have never even implied either of the things you have put in quotes.

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza