Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

sending peacekeeping forces

Is Trump‘s Plan.

[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

The US built a whole temporary harbor to deliver aid to Gaza.

[excentrifugal_forz@lazysoci.al]

I was still seeing this play out on Bluesky as of a few days ago. It got too depressing to watch so I noped out of my account.

[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

applying diplomatic pressure

US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.

[endeavor@sopuli.xyz]

Wellllll technically those who voted against Kamala to stop israeli genocide got what they wanted. Israel no longer has to genocide Palestinians.

[dx1@lemmy.world]

It's the international consensus that Palestine is under military occupation from "Israel". Military action against occupation is an enshrined right under international law. The exception of course is attacks against civilians - which are not considered legal, hence the ICC arrest warrants being for both Netanyahu/Gallant, and Hamas leaders - but also which didn't solely characterize the actions on Oct. 7. That is the actual, nuance, objective description of Oct. 7. No analogy is perfect. The Jewish militants in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were likely signficantly more targeted against Nazi soldiers and paramilitaries, but at the same time, they also hadn't been stuck in the Warsaw Ghetto for a staggering 56 years, under a choking blockade since 2006.

[superkret@feddit.org]

Just so you know: In the India/Pakistan relocation, millions died.

[fantasticdonkey@reddthat.com]

Thanks for your kind words. It’s also shocking to me to see, but here we are. For now, the situation remains dire for us but the public opinion has changed in a way that I have never considered possible. Your protests may not have stopped the genocide, but there’s a whole new generation of people who are pro-Palestine now, all around the world. And to me that means a lot, even the people in Gaza have seen the student protests, it gives everyone hope.

I just really hope that we’ll have enough time left to change things. And from the protests myself I became more concerned with other issues as well, and I hope to spread that in my community.

[live_let_live@lemmy.world]

they started the war and they lost? why should israel make the concession?

[dx1@lemmy.world]

US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.

First - provide any real proof of this.

Second - Rafah is completely destroyed. Biden administration described it as a "red line" along with the weasel words "major operation", and then walked it back after it was completely destroyed, saying the "red line" had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed. With the bombs they provided.

The U.S. is a military superpower. "Israel" is not. Actual diplomatic pressure applied would have ended the genocide - period. Your comment just screams to me how little research you've done on the genocide.

[tankfox@midwest.social]

Oh god no, not all of them, just the ones who didn't vote, and those are the ones responsible for this new fresh hell the Palestinians go through as the ceasefire turns into concentration camps and involuntary deportation to Egypt and Jordan.

If you really think Kamela would be saying things like 'why don't we just evict all the Palestinians from Gaza' right now then you're not interfacing with the same reality that the rest of us are.

[tankfox@midwest.social]

So you made a stupid statement, and when I call you out you shuffle the goalposts around. Yes, this is why you outside your circle you're just an angry buzzing noise.

[ramenjunkie@midwest.social]

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[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

provide any real proof of this

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-avoided-bidens-red-line-ad715144

For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.

saying the “red line” had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed

Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.

would have ended the genocide

The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.

It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.

[dx1@lemmy.world]

[dx1@lemmy.world]

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[fantasticdonkey@reddthat.com]

I’m sorry to disappoint you but we are unhappy with both parties. Biden is an absolute devil for allowing this genocide to unfold and providing both weapons and rhetorical and political support. Trump is an absolute devil too, the difference is that he’s absolutely unhinged and says the quiet part out loud.

I feel sorry for the domestical issues this is causing you now and the general chaos this guy creates but for us Palestinians Democrats and Republicans aren’t much different in their support for Zionism.

[shadowfax13@lemmy.ml]

we should vote dnc even when they are trash enough is defending them. trump became president because first time because of them not despite of them. he also became president second time because of dnc fossils and stupid biden doing nothing to control inflation or israel. he gave doj to republicans so that trump will be free to run against them in elections.
these scammers are happy today because they have succeeded in lowering the bar further for how trash they can be next time.

the best thing trump can do to prevent someone like him becoming president again is to hang entire dnc leadership and its smug consultants who pocket millions every election from our donations to only loose to a orange buffoon. once trash is wiped away leaders like aoc and warren will be actually able to build a real opposition.

[dx1@lemmy.world]

For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.

OK, so in other words, no proof except the say-so of the involved parties. Which demonstrably was not enough to stop Rafah from being flattened.

Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.

Also known as "ethnic cleansing". You're aware the civilians did not want to leave?

The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.

And they didn't. They didn't even hand in the mandated report after... 1 month? That was a year ago now.

It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.

"Human shields" argument also completely unsubstantiated, and visibly used as an excuse to demolish all civilian infrastructure.

We really arguing the Zionist talking points now? This how far this site has sunk?

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

No, he plans to send a unilateral conquering and occupation force.

There is a difference.