Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

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Curse you, Israel! How dare you get people to call those doing Nazi salutes Nazis in Australia with your... kabbalistic magic?

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Are you equating doing a Nazi salute to parking in front of a fire hydrant?

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What level of punishment is appropriate?

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Your should've seen it before he edited the impulsively rotten childish comments like "baby philosophy" or something about de Bottons pop-philosophy videos. They're pop-sci on YT sure but for that format, rather good for the very basics and he covers a lot of significant topics, ideas and authors.

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Burning a cross on someone's lawn isn't physically violent either. So I guess you're okay with it?

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As if he ever saw Elon while working at the factory floor, loltz. And the manager might not take too kindly, no matter who they work for. Lots of them prolly got their job before Elon went batshit insane. Or took mask off, whichever. Or pre- crippling ketamine addiction. Idk.

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The thing is this just makes it “cooler” among the Nazis because now it’s illegal.

Only until they are caught.

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While without context I'd agree that banning a gesture is a bit much, especially with such steep measures, I think that in a world when one of the de facto co-leaders of major if not the main world superpowers openly does nazi salute twice, we need to up the guard and cut this shit in the bud.

And as you said - we don't know how to solve USA becoming a nazi state rapidly. Nobody does. And third reich ain't gonna hold a candle to USA if they decide it's time for blitzkrieg. So doingall we can to damage and reduce nazizm where we still can is admirable.

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They were saying that fines are just a barrier for the poor, so I was asking if that holds true for all fines. That was the actual point you missed.

But sure, in the sense that neither should carry a mandatory jail sentence for a year, they're the same.

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I would love to hear your suggestions for stopping people from being openly Nazis because nothing else seems to have worked so far.

Will you get rid of them entirely? No. Can you force them to shut the fuck up with their hateful Nazi sit if they want to be a part of society? I think this will sure help.

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The main Australian neo-nazi organisation has known connections to 'bikie' gangs, so you've hit the mark here too.

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Why not execute them?

Pragmatic constraints.

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A Nazi salute is a form of hate crime against Jewish people, would it also be illegal to use Racial Slurs?

Why would it? One does not imply the other.

Also, a Nazi salute isn't just a slur. It's (at least) signaling that you want a bunch of groups exterminated (Jews are one of those many groups).

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Apples and oranges. A nazi salute is not a racial comment. It's a signal of allegiance to extermination (which, by the way, extermination is physically violent).

The idealistic fantasy that we should permit the intentional organisation of Nazism is not an effective way to preserve liberty of speech. Australia has no intention of becoming the failing pseudo-liberalist state that the USA is. So if the law doesn't stop them, our communities will continue to step up and silence them ourselves.

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It’s kinda weird to sort of start rolling back to where some type of conservatism is actually a good thing.

For what it's worth, politics is more complex than conservation and change. The status quo is what got us here, so we must to better than merely conserve.

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It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court> It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court
I feel like that part would just be the same way porn is treated, "I [the judge] know it when I see it]

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You may want to quote some more of that bit, bud.
It was a FOILED BOMBING PLOT targeting Jewish Australians.

How is Israel relevant?

But yes, native people always seem to get the shaft, no matter where you are. Again though, not relevant in this thread surely.

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A Nazi/Hitler salut was always illegal in Germany after WW 2 and courts figured it out what counts as a nazi salute and what not (it often comes down to context i guess).

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Nazis aren't "people you disagree with". They're anti-social violence-worshippers, and in this Australian context, terrorists grooming children. The main Australian neo-Nazi group literally had leadership get caught applying for a job in disability services when they said they only wanted to work cases for young boys[1]. ASIO have emphasised the decreasing age of NSNs membership. Their strategy, like many neo-Nazi orgs, is to indoctrinate and recruit disaffected and alienated teenagers.

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Nonsense.

Courts are good at figuring out what constitutes an illegal action. It's what they're intended to do and what they have been doing since the dawn of civilisation.

I don't really care what Nazis think is "cool".

It's addressing the underlying problem by communicating the seriousness of the threat of fascism to everyone.

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Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia