Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com]

but…

That's where you lost me.

[occamsrazer@lemmy.world]

Sure! What's worthy of more punishment, stealing packages from your neighbors doorstep or doing a Nazi salute? How about assaulting someone and mugging them? I think those are both worse than a nazi salute and deserving of more punishment. A Nazi salute wouldn't affect me at all except to be annoyed at their idiocy. Beating me up or stealing my stuff definitely impacts me. I don't have a clear idea of how much punishment is reasonable, but probably something less than the punishment for petty theft. That's my two cents.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I asked you what level of punishment is appropriate. You did not answer.

And it's nice of you to have the privilege to not be affected by a Nazi salute. Jews like me don't have that luxury, because many of us have personally experienced what comes next. And I don't mean during WWII.

[occamsrazer@lemmy.world]

Well, as im sure you are aware, once a label is given power, then it can and will inevitably be used for other purposes. If you can jail people who have been labeled as nazis or terrorists or whatever, then it's just a matter of time until that label gets abused.

[doomsider@lemmy.world]

Thank you for that perspective. It is sad to see all that diligence being chipped away.

[mutilationwave@lemmy.world]

Nothing the Nazis did was technically illegal

What?

[miaou@jlai.lu]

I heard they throw you in jail for stabbing someone, what's next, throwing you in jail for buying a knife? Stop this slippery slope! #allowstabbing #freestabbingabsolutist

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

It depends upon whether Australian prisons are focused on rehabilitation or punishment.

[metalmachine@feddit.nl]

Where did I say that I do that or that I think it's okay? Or are you so blinded by rage that you have to go to this?

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Excellent, then I'm all for it.

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Cool dude

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Fair point, best explained response yet.

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

So Elon Musk would've been in the clear.

[woht24@lemmy.world]

The part where it's raising your arm at an angle. You dislike it because of what it means and signifies, but imagine some group took 'flipping the bird' to align with their ideology and in 20 years your kid gets arrested for flipping someone off.

Obviously a silly example but you have to look past the context and think about what are we really doing here? Jailing people for a gesture?

That's fucking wild.

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

Hey now! Australia is probably sick of everyone just sending criminals there!

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

I don’t see how mandatory jail time helps with “They need to reeducate the people”

Jail doesn't work for Nazis. The world learned only one things solves the "fascism problem".

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

The answer to the German question is that they spend a great deal of money on having an excellent education system,

I think it was more that they had their country completely flattened due to them being fascists, and didn't want it to happen again.

[chonkyowlbear@lemmy.world]

In WW2, the concentration camps and the Holocaust didn't break any German or international laws. This is the first case where the charge of crimes against humanity was used.

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

Back to the Nazi, separate them from the rest of society.

Permanently. Like how we permanently separated Nazis from the rest of the world in the 1940s.

[blumpkinhead@lemmy.world]

They can still easily identify each other online, social groups, clubs, etc. I would think that's how most of these people get together anyway, and not from some rando on the street throwing up a nazi salute. Making the gesture illegal also doesn't solve why people are this way. It doesn't solve the problem. It just covers it up (imo).