‘In a real sense, US democracy has died’: how Trump is emulating Hungary’s Orbán

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Democracy flatlined—time of death: circa 1980. Trump’s Orbán fanfic is bootleg authoritarianism, but both parties built the coffin. “Freedom” is just the brand name for auctioned infrastructure. Christian nationalism? A faith-based grift to sanctify oligarchic looting. Courts, media, schools—compliant subsidiaries, not casualties.

The rot isn’t new—it’s generational decay dressed as crisis. “Erosion” absolves the architects; we’ve been drowning in neoliberal rot since they sold labor to Wall Street. MAGA’s the stench, not the wound. Voting? A ritual to pacify the herd. The machine runs on apathy and cheap outrage. Wake up—you’re the product.

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Every American who wasn't armed should have taken a clue on 01/06, or taken a class on WWII history.

Sick to fucking death of liberal pansies, "Guns bad!" Meanwhile, blacks, women and LGBT were, and still are, the leading gun purchasers. Suburban white boys: "But guns aren't a solution! BAD!"

Well, it's far too late for that rhetoric, we should have that convo in the 90s, too late kids. Get strapped or get on a fucking train.

"BUH BUH BUH they might shoot back and kill me!"

That was already in the cards you fucking pussies. I'll choose to die with my boots on.

And we wonder why our Democratic politicians are milquetoast. Because Democrats voted for milquetoast and that's what we got. Cowards. Suprised_pikachu.jpeg.

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and they expect everyone around them to know those rules that are internal to them

Yep. Fuck your pronouns. I'll make a logical assumption, correct myself if asked to. Not going to fucking seek your preference. Fuck they.

huge echo-chambers which refuse to interact with anyone who doesn't 200% agree with them

I'm ALREADY on your side! FFS give it a fucking rest already. There are plenty of others hurting without the constant wailing, "What about ME!"

the person on the other side of the conversation gets IRRATIONALLY angry at you

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I'm so done. These motherfuckers, arguing about bullshit when their very lives are on the line. STFU already. Been blocking all the non-stop trans posts and comms. It's overwhelming.

tl;dr: I'm with you, but you aren't with me. Fight among yourselves. I'll help if I can.

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I'm more reeling from the sheer number of government employees who would just go along with such blatant attampt at fascism. I actually thought Americans had more guts than this.

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I imagine a lot of them feel very threatened, for themselves and their families. There's not a lot of evidence that if maga decided to just start locking up anyone who causes them inconvenience, there would be any authority coming to your aid. It's survival at this point for them.

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Hey democracy may be dying but at least Israel is still getting billions and billions of dollars.

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I saw what happened in hungary, warned you fuckers but nobody listened. "Umm, but the us has checks and balances" checks and balances are worth fuckall to fascists. Do you actually think hungary didnt have any mechanisms to prevent this? It did have them but they were worth as much as the us's.

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You are using the wrong conjugation by using a present participle in that first verb.

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Besides anyone paying attention has watched the checks and balances slowly collapsing over the last decade.

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The important thing is 'are we still owning the libs'?

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Never has been.

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Red, Green, etc all mapped perfectly across all of those instances

But it doesn't map perfectly. That's the point of the comment you replied to. In my native language, "blue" isn't one word. If you say "blue" and I need to translate that, I need to ask whether you mean lighter or darker shade of blue, because those are straight up two different words. And it's perfectly natural to me because I grew up speaking that language. But I also understand that not all languages have that distinction and sometimes it needs to be explicitly clarified.

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Democracy is inherently tied to progress.

For a more elaborate explanation, see below.

I am considering that progress on Earth is slowing down or halting long-term, and only continued progress could sustain Democracy.

Democracy is tied to progress because progress creates demand for workers, and as such gives them a say in the direction things go. Progress is what "free people can do" or sth. Without progress, there is neither a demand for workers or freedom, and both are at risk.

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Yeah well the US might have been founded as a colonial nation, but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever.

Similar to how when there's a new virus around, you might fall sick once or twice, but you're expected to eventually recover and develop immunity to this particular virus. Similarly, the US immigrant population has literally overrun the country 300 years ago, but that does not mean that the mindset and the attitudes of that times are expected to stay around forever. Because honestly, they are a disease in many ways, if one considers many of the symptoms and side-effects.

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the guy is completely bypassing congress by abusing the executive order thing. it's a constitutional crisis in my opinion

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‘In a real sense, US democracy has died’: how Trump is emulating Hungary’s Orbán