JD Vance stuns Munich conference with blistering attack on Europe’s leaders
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Also makes me think of a guy I know who I went to high school with, just incredibly smart. Ended up getting to the National Science Fair and got an honorable mention and also a bunch of newspaper attention. Fifteen years later, he was in prison for getting caught with a backpack full of meth cooking equipment.
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death to america?
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"Mishandling migration" is a pessimist position
If you follow that logic nobody is allowed to genuinely criticise immigration policy.
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mishandling migration
Racism
Are you calling it racism because Vance said it, or would you claim that anyone who thinks migration in Europe has been mishandled is racist?
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That's fine, people with dignity don't have "leaders". That's about JD too.
And there are feedbacks in human societies, meaning that AfD and such would have much less popularity if, first, they had a less stinky alternative as "counter-system" parties, second, were not given publicity as a scarecrow, third, were not given media pressure.
It's natural that in some conditions people run from the political mainstream and want something not associated with that swamp. It's also natural that "black PR" is still PR, it puts AfD (or someone else) on a list of associations in one's mind as being against that mainstream (no matter how fascist or populist). And it's also natural that when you see media pressure, you want to push back.
People making decisions love to think in directions, but in fact thinking in categories and weights between them is better. Like with diversifying investments. If you invest a lot in the left-vs-right dynamic, no matter which side, the results are unpredictable, but you affect their possible magnitude, the more you invest, the more it is. So if someone puts a lot of pressure "to fight fascism", they might cause a rebirth of fascism that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
For the same reason I'm still not sure Trump is worse for Ukraine than someone else. You have to end the war at some point. If there's no military way to restore Ukraine's sovereignty over all of its territory, that may realistically be attempted, then that won't happen anyway. They are not suggesting Ukraine to recognize annexation, but even if they were, the old world order is dying, and formal sovereignty in the UN might do little good in future. Some things they say suggest they may do for Ukraine a lot of what Ukrainians love to dream about in terms of restoration and armaments. Just - also controlling Russia by allowing it to sell its resources again. Probably with a deal worse for Russia than before, and the resulting prices might be less competitive than before.
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I think this people have long already disqualified their ability to speech anything worth of coherent value, why keep listening them or take note of their words? They do not follow the rules of that game, is not possible to play on the same terms so that battleground is a distraction at best, a cancer at worst.
Don’t feed the troll, don’t support the bully.
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the french did some great stuff with just a metal blade
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Perhaps some genuine criticism could be levied at the specifics of their immigration policy, but this is JD Vance, that's not what he's here for.
When he talks about "shared values" and "what you are fighting for" he's talking about white Christian dominance in Europe and defending it with the sword. The far right has long seen Europe as a failure of progressive decadence and moral weakness and this speech was a blatant expression of that.
That is why the far right rejects European countries and cozies up to Russia, because the American conservative and the Russian nationalist have quite a lot of "shared values."
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And a bit of timber.
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we already dead. this is the zombified corpse of Ronald Reagan now.
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America is a big dumb golem used to do the violent bidding of whoever is able to control it - mainly Israel and Russia.
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Thanks for clarifying, that is reasonable
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Lol is this a tongue in cheek self aware comment? I had to start and restart each sentence a few times.
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I now know I'm truly not on reddit.
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We will be squished in between Putin and his lapdog. Fuck this timeline.
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A mere 1B donation get you control of a 800B a year military. Talk about ROI!
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This is the exception. Usually it's even worse than reddit, especially when ml joins the thread.
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Vance racist? He loves his wife despite her being Indian!
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The least useful, biggest idiot.