Why do males complain about female-led stories or too many female characters when the majority are still dominated by males?
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That’s still a bit different than saying “males” or “females.” Using those words as nouns makes it feel like a nature documentary narration.
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Aye, gingers are their own filthy race.
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It is disingenuously stealing from the richness of the story these films are supposedly depicting.
Strangely enough, as a woman, I see it generally adding to the richness...
Men doing all of the interesting stuff isn't rich.
Hell, even I Robot, a movie that should have had a female lead, turned Calvin in to a supporting role to put a man in the lead.
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Insecurity. "Males" is a pretty wide brush in this case
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A lot of writers apparently have no idea how to write interesting female characters. Some of the pushback from viewers / readers to increasing the number of female characters isn't about the characters being female, it's about them being bad characters. Boring, annoying, quippy, etc.
Nobody wants to admit that their movie flopped because it wasn't very good, so they blame sexism. Or piracy, that one's always popular.
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Yeah but he’s using it in a context that frequently says “male” and “female.” Honestly I didn't even notice until folks complained.
It’s not the same as “you know how females are.”
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I’ve never met anyone who acted like this, nor even seen someone on the internet complaining about it, besides reviews in movie sections. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, it’s just I believe that you’re probably seeing a vanishingly small portion of society do this.
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because many people are uncomfortable with change and having women suddenly appearing more frequently thatn their use to upsets them. You'll find this fear of the unknown a very common source of much stupidity.
You're not over reacting. It is that fucked up. welcome to the insanity.
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The following is a representation of conservative thought:
Because it defies belief! Everyone knows any real superhero team would have NO women, women couldn't be superheroes! Movies only force us to have women there because of Woke. We can "tolerate" (will still complain about but will give Hollywood our dollars anyway) a 5/6 men/women ratio. If we gotta pretend to be Woke, it better not be more than five sixths!
Source:
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Maybe it's not being female led that's the problem, it's Mary Sue's that I think people are tired of.
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I think most people's issue is with the Steven Seagal, but a lady, protagonists like Rey from Star Wars, where they are just expressions of what is basically a male power fantasy, but female, which virtually nobody actually wants. There's a fairly limited audience for even the original Seagal male version. While there DO exist better, Die Hard-style the protagonist gets their ass kicked female properties from this century, like Jessica Jones season 1, nobody wants to see a lady getting her ass kicked to the same degree as a man, so I can't think of another example after that, despite innumerable ill-conceived girlboss-powered action movies like G20. Nobody would try to do Hallmark movies for dudes, doing male power fantasy action for ladies is equally ill-conceived, as shown by box office numbers, and a still 70% or more male audience.
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Oh, it's pretty simple, really.
Had a friend who I realized would always complain about women in his movies, shows, video games, and whatever.
Turns out: he just hated women. Oh, he loved looking at "attractive" women and fucking women, mind you. But he just hated women. He didn't even really grasp it and would deny it every time I to brought it up.
If a woman isn't "hot" and/or willing to fuck them, the woman has no value. Anything they say or do has no value if they're not providing some kind of sexual stimulation for a man.
That's why.
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Who complained about the female led movie Alien?
I think the issue is that the movies aren't written well. Rey in the third trilogy never saw a challenge she couldn't master on the first attempt. A story about a character born perfect and never faltering isn't fun
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Some people see themselves as the default, and any change is abnormal or pandering. Same thing happens in video games. Anything that brings attention to the idea that they aren't the default audience is seen as a an offense. They assume these stories are an attack, an expensive way for people to say their way of doing things is wrong and therefore they are wrong, so they get defensive. In reality, it just someone else telling a story for another audience.
To them, the argument is, "why add more poc/genders if we're all the same? Are you saying something is wrong with people like me so they have to be gotten rid of? How come it's always me that's getting removed? Why am I under attack!" They see the addition as the erasure of some, like, Schrodinger's self-insert that would have been there if they didn't have to force a" woke" choice.
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If men in a story are doing all the interesting stuff, the story is the bad choice. Adding oil paints to an existing watercolor does not make art. Paint a beautiful oil painting.
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Why is it gender stuff when it's women but not men? Men and their gender is apart of their movies too, you just may not see it, like how a fish doesn't see water. Take how a film is shot, how women and men are framed. You may not notice the camera assuming a het-male's perspective by "eyeing" women a certain way because "that's just house films are shot." You may not go into a horror movie with the silent prayer that the male lead doesn't get raped because that can just be thrown in there. You may not notice if every woman looks a certain way, and how no matter how old the actor gets, the female lead is still 25. Even in movies where it doesn't even matter. You make not notice when a woman only gets to speak to and about men. You may not notice that one woman is usually tossed in to represent the entire female demographic because "they're not the focus."
But all those little details add up. Women have had men's gender and their ideas and values soak into almost every part of society, even to how they value themselves. Men are not the default, and that means that they will have to go into some media knowing that they are not the main target and be okay with that.
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Funny thing with books is you can tell whether the intended audience is men or women by the cover art, but the art is (perhaps was) all aimed at women because they don't find a significant number of men buying books, the man's wife or mother buys them for them
So books aimed at men have cover art aimed at attracting women buying for a man.
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Gamers complain about cancel culture, but they're the first to demand changes and threaten to boycott a game for daring to include any "woke" (diverse character) content.
It's absurdly ironic and hypocritical.
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Sometimes, they'll start a podcast or a YouTube channel. Those ones are the worst.
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At that point, you could say “male characters.”
