Europe preps huge defense package in boost to Ukraine: "Never been seen"
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They've actually been pretty much tied with the Russians for the last year, I'd say. Russia's bigger, but also taking way more losses, and in the end the front line ends up being static.
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Well, banned from here now.
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The world run by kim jong un is a military dictatorship that spend the equivalent of european billions in war. Unlike you i don't want any of this shit, i would like public billions to be spend on useful things and not to fight proxy wars against made up enemies.
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Or under trump, as clearly its all the same right?
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If they don't spend 700 billion on this, the "proxy" war with Russia (that is currently "cheap" for most of Europe to support), will cost them far, far, far, far more than 700 billion in a few short years/months.
This is why you support proxy wars when they're in your interest.
It's like outsourcing a future war to a country that won't touch your shores.
Ukraine is getting fucked up by Russia right now. Mines, bombs, guns, battle, towns destroyed, infrastructure disruptions, etc.
You want that contained in Ukraine as much as possible. The second they lose, it will spill out into all of Europe and will be far more expensive and too late to contain.
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If you think democracy is a good thing you should realize that there's none anymore and ukraine is under martial law.
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Is this a joke? Sorry so much time living in clown world has made it hard to tell.
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You're changing the subject. I was talking about how sovereignty is useful.
And I'd say it's pretty fucking useful when a dictator is threatening to take over where you live.
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say that to the people who downvoted you buddy, i'm not team stupid
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Go on. Tell me about how there's nothing democratic about Switzerland or Iceland.
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I think we should give a nuke to Ukraine. One would be enough to stop all this BS.
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In my country the only one threatening to take over is the fascist pm who backed public billions in war. Meanwhile public services are crumbling and people are literally dying because of it
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You're trying to change the subject again. No one said anything about your country. I don't know where you live, nor do I care.
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Yeah, well, say we successfully block any further military spending here in the eu.
Is Russia going to stop their spending? USA?
No?
Then what will we do when they come for us next?
This wouldn’t be a factor if our nations were almost alike and no practical changes would occur should they conquer majority of Europe, but most of Europe is comparatively in another sphere in terms of progressiveness and social stuff. Compared both to USA and Russia.
Would the 700bn used, right now, in some better causes be worth it, if in somewhat near future we’ll have our minorities in concentration camps, killed or expelled? Our social systems torn to shreds, poverty and income differences rising? The authoritarian/oligarch rule we’d get then would spend that 700bn in many multiples in warfare, but also similar amounts extra for police and other oppressive powers to silence any and all opposition.
I’m just saying there are things worth defending, such as lgbtq+ rights, (comparatively much more progressive and universal) social equality and you know, the basics such as low levels of impoverishment, guaranteed housing for everyone, quality and unhindered education etc etc.
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Switzerland is a known tax heaven that laundry money worldwide including these of russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Leaks
Iceland is an island with less than 300k people
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Neither thing has anything to do with democracy. You claimed there are no more democracies. Please explain how Switzerland and Iceland are not democracies.
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Then what will we do when they come for us next?
Even if you assume the whole world is trying to invade you (which is not true) you can defend yourself even without a government spending billions on war designed to murder other people.
Would the 700bn used, right now, in some better causes be worth it, if in somewhat near future we’ll have our minorities in concentration camps, killed or expelled? Our social systems torn to shreds, poverty and income differences rising? The authoritarian/oligarch rule we’d get then would spend that 700bn in many multiples in warfare, but also similar amounts extra for police and other oppressive powers to silence any and all opposition.
You are describing the scenario you don't want to happen. Our social system is torn to shred already, poverty and income differences are rising and billions are going to oppressive powers such as the military
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Flying squid you are picking up two irrelevant countries as switzerland and iceland because you know all the others to be corrupted as fuck. Democracy is being eroded worldwide in the same way: government are getting unlimited power and control over people and a bunch of rulers own all mass media.
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Your words:
If you think democracy is a good thing you should realize that there’s none anymore
Either there is democracy in the world or there is not. Which is it?
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