US presented Ukraine with a document to access minerals but offered almost nothing
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That’s an interesting point. They’re trying to become a part of the EU, right? You brought to my head the idea that, if they secured a deal with the EU, they could push for joining union and have those minerals contracted to be bought by the EU in the future, helping themselves and the rest of Europe.
Does Europe have the military resources to make this viable though? Have all the EU nations combined supplied as much as the US has?
It’s such a fucking mess, dude. Ugh.
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New USA colonialism:
"Let us help you fight for your freedom!"
3 years later...
"Ekhmm.... remember the aid we sent? It wasn't to help you fight freedom after all. It was so now we can feel entitled to your resources."
Check mate.
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Well they had been receiving aid against Russia until now...
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No sure about the happily part but pretty much every modern conflict has been over stealing resources or political posturing
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EU states don't have much surplus hardware standing around so we couldn't send Ukraine as much as the US did, but we do have armies that can roflstomp Russia. And from all I see everyone pretty much agrees that with the US betraying everything that means gloves off, the question is more whose boots on the ground, not that there are going to be boots on the ground. Somewhat awkwardly everyone is looking at Germany and we're having elections this Sunday.
As far as mineral resources are concerned: Meh. I mean it's nice to have but joining the EU is not a matter of bribing the EU. Your economy must be strong and developed enough to be able to cope with competitive pressures in the single market, some stuff about balanced state budgets, that's all we don't mind if you're poor, we can fix that.
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I'm guessing you are young sice you make these wild statements.
You have little understanding, restraint or tactical knowledge and are guided by anger that makes you even more prone to fatal and catastrophical mistakes.
It is not Russia that moved the line but NATO.
All the way from Germany to literally their border.
Without even getting into thr geopolitical let me explain this AGAIN from a practical and military standpoint:
Having nukes in a country like ukraine would already be a lossed cause for Russia.
THey are literally too close to defend from.
So even any attempt at putting them there is a life threathening situation and a guaranteed immediate WW3 no questions asked response.
Nobody with a minimum of knowledge would be insane enough to call their bluff, not even Trump.
you should learn that. The ones in Romania are just as far as is allowed.
If you would've been in charge of either side for the last 10 years, we would all be dead. -
I understand it's not as simple as a personal one-on-one relationship... I was just remarking that it gives me the same feeling as if it was. Much of what's happening right now feels very personal to me, even though I know it isn't... when I find myself worrying about my loved ones and their futures, for example, I take it very personally what Trump's doing.
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You said it yourself: given
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Wait, so you're blaming NATO for the current situation? Oh boy. I'm done here.
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Gave
If english is not your first language you might want to check out the definition of that word.
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Yeah leave him, he's just spewing kremlin propaganda.
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I just wanna say thanks for the dialog. I really appreciate your helping me understand and expanding on my thoughts.
Hope you’re well, G.
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You’re implying that the military aid was “given”, as in: without expectation of repayment?
Yeah, I thought the US saw this as a way to hurt Russia. Isn’t that what we were supposed to be getting out of the deal? Not fucking mineral wealth.
Though, I still don’t think it’s so preposterous for the US to ask for some sort of repayment, for lack of a better word. Just not what the Trump administration is trying to do right now. What they’re asking for is far too consequential.
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Trump is only capable of quid pro quos when it comes to... Well... Everything he does, I guess. He has no friends, and no allies... Only people he takes from, and in return they get something that was never his to begin with.
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Repayment is not at all what this is about. We are talking about a man who was impeached over demanding Zelenskyy provide political dirt on his opponent in exchange for not disrupting aid shipments.
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Spoiler alert: it won't
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It is a person doing it. Just happens to be running the country.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people in that country support him, so he's not alone.
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The agreement was performative. It was always meant to “prove” that Ukraine was not interested in peace, and a reason that Trump is the only one who can “negotiate” on Ukraines behalf.
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thats why the billionaires figured out if your worn down and tired you arnt willing to engage in class war.
