Recommended me a good private email provider
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As legally required. Any company that wants to operate aboveboard needs to comply with local law - that includes Proton.
Any company that wants to operate aboveboard needs to comply with local law
That's why you don't run a secure email/vpn company from a country that's shit for privacy laws.
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I like to dish out advice without actually following it.
Me to a depressed internet stranger: "Life is worth living"
Also me: Want to end my life every day
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proton works, idc what one of the 5 owners say, it is impossible to avoid that type of people
They are technically not "owners" they are members of a "Board of Trustees" of a non-profit organization (the Proton Foundation). They are legally bound by Swiss law to uphold their organzation's goals of fighting for privacy rights.
But yea, Andy Yen's statements is quite concerning nonetheness, and its red flags.
I means its not like doomsday level situation that you have to drop everything you're doing and migrate, but its a good idea to pre-emptively move anyways, before he goes full elon.
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If you're breaking the law to such an extent that the Swiss government compels Proton to log your IP address, you can use Tor as Proton recommends for that exact use case.
Switzerland is not in the EU.
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Please suggest a good and relatively affordable private email provider. I am considering tuta, mailbox right now. I know proton has gone rogue.
I cannot self host one and the email provider must be somewhat reputable as I will be using this for my work portfolio. Anything with €1-€3 per month is encouraged.
Tuta, Proton, Murena, Nextcloud Mail, or use disposable mails like Maildrop or Altmails.
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I am using startmail at the moment with a custom domainand am pleased but I do plan on migrating due to the cost for adding more mailboxes. So I am reading along here but from my research recently I personally also found Tuta attractive along with mailbox for their price and feature set.
What has proton done by the way? I have never really trusted the organization but has something happened recently? -
They are technically not "owners" they are members of a "Board of Trustees" of a non-profit organization (the Proton Foundation). They are legally bound by Swiss law to uphold their organzation's goals of fighting for privacy rights.
But yea, Andy Yen's statements is quite concerning nonetheness, and its red flags.
I means its not like doomsday level situation that you have to drop everything you're doing and migrate, but its a good idea to pre-emptively move anyways, before he goes full elon.
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Switzerland is not in the EU.
They have extremely similar laws in Switzerland
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First hint is already on the FrontPage:
We do expect you to understand how to use email and how to configure your DNS to use our service
Second hint, the very aggressive way their documentation is written with big font, repeating and slight threats. See https://mxroutedocs.com/dns/dnsrecords/
Third one, their refund policy in the FAQs:
We do not offer refunds. Please do not sign up unless you are comfortable with your choice.
And there are quite many people writing about their encounters online with them, like:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/rbwqew/mxroute_are_they_rude_on_purpose_whats_been_your/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/mxroute/comments/1b1nk52/one_of_the_worst_service/
And so on. If you can handle working in open source you can handle them too. They are very direct which is off putting for some people, but they care deeply about their customers.
Their response from the second Reddit post:
When you sent spam from your service in May of 2023, we asked you not to make us regret giving you a second chance. [...]
When you sent more spam on February 24 of 2024, we considered both interactions in our decision to terminate your account. [...]
Don't take my word for it, you already made the logs public so here's the spam you sent from our service:Unironically the best advertising possible for their service. If they're being rude to those who deserve it, let it bang!
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Been using Mailbox for years without any issue. German reliability. But the fact that one of Proton's directors revealed that he agrees with 75 million Americans does not mean that a whole company, based in Switzerland and with many other stakeholders, has "gone rogue". I'm not getting into a new fight about this here but I really think American progressives need to drop this religious approach to dissent and heterodoxy and just relax a little. It will be okay.
Have they resolved the slow loading and downtime to issues? I used them last year but the initial loading time was slow (I'm in the USA), and I had a few times over the span of a month or so where the page just didn't load for a few hours.
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Unfortunately, several of his conclusions are drawn from either errors or outright lies, or simply things being swept aside. Several of his later posts are ignored, as is the amount he doubled down. Him using the official proton accounts to call his statements the official proton stance is waved away. It basically only examines the cleaned up, shiny final version of events proton would like you to pretend happened after they deleted everything, instead of what actually happened. Worse, it pretends that was the only chain of events that happened. It's straight up gaslighting.
It's a very, very biased article that doesn't even attempt to do any kind of deep analysis and just tries to justify its stance by cherry picking, instead of actually looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion from there.
What's one specific point that you think is an outright lie or has been gaslighted away? The linked post addressed my personal concerns, but I want to see if there's something I missed.
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People keep posting this, like some kind of biased blog post on medium is supposed to be a gotcha moment that fixes everything. It doesn't.
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What's one specific point that you think is an outright lie or has been gaslighted away? The linked post addressed my personal concerns, but I want to see if there's something I missed.
For one, Gail Slater was only 'tough on big tech' for a few years in the very beginning of her career, and the entire rest of it has been spent as a big tech lobbyist for Internet Association. The most relevant lobbying being the opposition of a california data privacy bill that would require ISPs to gain customer permissions to collect and sell their browsing history. Needless to say, it's pretty horrifying to hear a privacy company CEO call a noted anti-privacy lobbyist a good pick with those 'credentials'.
Only two of Andy Yen's posts regarding the matter are shown or referred to- the original post, and a later 'clarification'.
Every double-down, the 'official' statement he (supposedly erroneously) made, the deleted posts, all of those are not mentioned, yet the author spends a lot of time claiming that they went through 'thousands of tweets and replies' to find everything relevant, which in my opinion is gaslighty as hell.The biggest issue with the article though is that it makes a ton of assumptions presented as fact about Andy Yen's motivations, which are then used as 'evidence' to discredit the evidence he's pro-trump... and then assigns actions the entire Proton company did as justification for why Yen, himself as a person, is not pro-trump.
So the evidence he is NOT pro-trump is that the company he works for and doesn't control has done some some decent privacy stuff, and the proof that he IS pro-trump is either thrown away, not mentioned, or discard on the basis that 'he totally said he wasn't guys trust me.'
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For one, Gail Slater was only 'tough on big tech' for a few years in the very beginning of her career, and the entire rest of it has been spent as a big tech lobbyist for Internet Association. The most relevant lobbying being the opposition of a california data privacy bill that would require ISPs to gain customer permissions to collect and sell their browsing history. Needless to say, it's pretty horrifying to hear a privacy company CEO call a noted anti-privacy lobbyist a good pick with those 'credentials'.
Only two of Andy Yen's posts regarding the matter are shown or referred to- the original post, and a later 'clarification'.
Every double-down, the 'official' statement he (supposedly erroneously) made, the deleted posts, all of those are not mentioned, yet the author spends a lot of time claiming that they went through 'thousands of tweets and replies' to find everything relevant, which in my opinion is gaslighty as hell.The biggest issue with the article though is that it makes a ton of assumptions presented as fact about Andy Yen's motivations, which are then used as 'evidence' to discredit the evidence he's pro-trump... and then assigns actions the entire Proton company did as justification for why Yen, himself as a person, is not pro-trump.
So the evidence he is NOT pro-trump is that the company he works for and doesn't control has done some some decent privacy stuff, and the proof that he IS pro-trump is either thrown away, not mentioned, or discard on the basis that 'he totally said he wasn't guys trust me.'
Thank you - I really appreciate the thorough response, that is extremely helpful.
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Tuta. Regardless of email provider, chose one that lets you use your own domain - that way it's easier to change providers.
Proton lets you do that too.
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Please suggest a good and relatively affordable private email provider. I am considering tuta, mailbox right now. I know proton has gone rogue.
I cannot self host one and the email provider must be somewhat reputable as I will be using this for my work portfolio. Anything with €1-€3 per month is encouraged.
Fastmail has been treating me well. Unlimited aliases and masked emails are really the only features I use, but it’s got sort of the classic suite of productivity tools you’d expect. I self host equivalents of these, but for a drop in replacement for most of the g-suite it’s good without trying to be more than it needs to be.
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Please suggest a good and relatively affordable private email provider. I am considering tuta, mailbox right now. I know proton has gone rogue.
I cannot self host one and the email provider must be somewhat reputable as I will be using this for my work portfolio. Anything with €1-€3 per month is encouraged.
Posteo. Seems like it's missing love here. Simple, out of the way, it just works.
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Please suggest a good and relatively affordable private email provider. I am considering tuta, mailbox right now. I know proton has gone rogue.
I cannot self host one and the email provider must be somewhat reputable as I will be using this for my work portfolio. Anything with €1-€3 per month is encouraged.
Posteo ftw!
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Posteo. Seems like it's missing love here. Simple, out of the way, it just works.
I would happily consider Posteo but the fact that they don't support custom domains is a major deal breaker for me.
If - for any reason - I want to move email providers, I want to be able to do so without changing my email everywhere.
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Please suggest a good and relatively affordable private email provider. I am considering tuta, mailbox right now. I know proton has gone rogue.
I cannot self host one and the email provider must be somewhat reputable as I will be using this for my work portfolio. Anything with €1-€3 per month is encouraged.
I've been using Inbox.eu, provider from Latvia, for a few years now, specifically with my own domain. Was pretty easy to setup, and the support was also good when I messed up some DNS settings.
