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Microsoft Office support in Windows 10 ends in October too - what that really means

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  • L [email protected]

    If you're in any of these states:

    • Alaska
    • Arizona
    • California
    • Connecticut
    • Florida
    • Idaho
    • Illinois
    • Kansas
    • Maine
    • Maryland
    • Massachusetts
    • Nevada
    • New Hampshire
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    • Washington state
    • Wisconsin
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    You can use the IRS' new Direct File service. It's what we should've had ages ago, letting citizens file their taxes directly without a for-profit middle man. There are still a couple of scenarios they don't support, since it's still in development and is only in it's second year of use, but in my experience it's already competent and helpful.

    And, as a bonus, you don't have to give any money to Intuit/TurboTax to keep lobbying the government to make our tax code as arcane as possible so that people need their services to file taxes.

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    Apparently my state is lagging behind the times

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      Databases basically built inside excel 😐

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      I’ve heard it said that Excel is the second best program for everything. DB? Excel. CRM? Excel. Word editor? Browser? Calendar? Doom? Yup, you guessed it.

      Just like Outlook, which my users essentialy used as a file storage… Sadly I’m not joking that when the first SSDs came out I had a user who I installed an SSD in his PC just to put his stupid PST files on, because having them on a HDD would cause his Outlook to have a meltdown.

      I’m so happy I don’t have end users any more…

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      • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]
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        What if you pay for ESU?

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        • H [email protected]

          I really don’t like Microsoft, but the two products I think Microsoft got mostly right are Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. I really can’t find comparable products.

          Open office and forks feel like Microsoft Office 97. While usable, it takes me twice as long to do things. I would almost prefer to use a LaTeX editor over word. Excel? Idk

          From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense to switch to libre office. W10 support also ends 10/25. It is highly irresponsible for an IT department to continue to use EOL products so they should be changing to W11 and new Microsoft office

          For individuals, I mean…. I just installed a W10 VM to give me more time to find a Linux compatible alternative to turbo tax and to use visual studio so idk

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          OneNote is honestly a really awesome product as well. Especially for use with a pen.

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          • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgM [email protected]

            yea who ever things that is a good idea, while we have MariaDB, PostgreSQL and Valkey should be fired.

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            I just don’t know how to use databases like those, so I just use excel for my small business.

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              Windows 10 will become unsupported but I still anticipate it working fine even without updates. I suspect office will work the same on existing machines.

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                I just don’t know how to use databases like those, so I just use excel for my small business.

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                Then pick one DB and learn about it. The internet is full of documentation, tutorial, hands-on examples and even youtube videos.

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                  laughs in Office 2007 and laughs even harder in LibreOffice

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                  I still install Office 2007 in older machines. It may not have the newest features but still does the job and it's enough for most people.

                  Also, laughs harder-er in Google Workspace 😂😂😂

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                  • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                    Or OnlyOffice. It lacks a lot of features but is an easier sell in a lot of cases because of the much more modern interface.

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                    onlyoffice was on my list, but the privacy rating was a dealbreaker for me.

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                    • chrstph@discuss.tchncs.deC [email protected]

                      onlyoffice was on my list, but the privacy rating was a dealbreaker for me.

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                      Wow, that's super disappointing but not incredibly surprising. The developers don't seem as transparent as other projects I've interacted with.

                      I always install from their github, which I speculate (assume? hope?) does not include these trackers because they would be visible. Is there any way to reliably find out?

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                        To me it means letting people know that Mint is free and comes with Libre Office, also free.

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                        • K [email protected]

                          Windows 10 will become unsupported but I still anticipate it working fine even without updates. I suspect office will work the same on existing machines.

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                          You can safely use Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC or Windows 10 IoT LTSC perfectly safely until 2032--as that's when the LTSC will stop receiving updates.

                          But the versions will always work. They simply won't be protected against new threats or bugs.

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                            Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC and/or Windows 10 IoT LTSC end of life: 2032.

                            We good.

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                            • S [email protected]

                              I still install Office 2007 in older machines. It may not have the newest features but still does the job and it's enough for most people.

                              Also, laughs harder-er in Google Workspace 😂😂😂

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                              google workspace? why would you upload your (and others?) documents to google? that's no better than microsoftcs online office

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                              • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                Wow, that's super disappointing but not incredibly surprising. The developers don't seem as transparent as other projects I've interacted with.

                                I always install from their github, which I speculate (assume? hope?) does not include these trackers because they would be visible. Is there any way to reliably find out?

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                                app manager can scan the APK for trackers and other program libraries. it won't work reliably though if the app has been obfuscated

                                https://f-droid.org/packages/io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager

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                                • H [email protected]

                                  I really don’t like Microsoft, but the two products I think Microsoft got mostly right are Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. I really can’t find comparable products.

                                  Open office and forks feel like Microsoft Office 97. While usable, it takes me twice as long to do things. I would almost prefer to use a LaTeX editor over word. Excel? Idk

                                  From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense to switch to libre office. W10 support also ends 10/25. It is highly irresponsible for an IT department to continue to use EOL products so they should be changing to W11 and new Microsoft office

                                  For individuals, I mean…. I just installed a W10 VM to give me more time to find a Linux compatible alternative to turbo tax and to use visual studio so idk

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                                  I hate every minute I need to use VS. Jetbrains IDEs work infinitely better for me

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                                  • L [email protected]

                                    To me it means letting people know that Mint is free and comes with Libre Office, also free.

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                                    Works on MacOS too!

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                                    • W [email protected]

                                      I hate every minute I need to use VS. Jetbrains IDEs work infinitely better for me

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                                      My experience was with C#. What’s your language and which IDE do you use?

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                                      • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgM [email protected]

                                        Then pick one DB and learn about it. The internet is full of documentation, tutorial, hands-on examples and even youtube videos.

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                                        I know that I should, and I’m technical enough to understand it. But the point I was making is that many people are not even close to technically proficient to learning it.

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                                          My experience was with C#. What’s your language and which IDE do you use?

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                                          nowadays I use Java, Rust, Python, for these I use IDEA, RustRover and Pycharm. but when I used C# and C++, I didn't like VS, and instead used Reshaper and CLion

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