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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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    It's dependent on a caretaker, but not necessarily on its own mother. Neural development also does take a big step starting at birth because the baby is now receiving stimuli.

    If someone has no mind – such as a brain-dead patient – then they aren’t really a person.

    This is gonna be a fun thread

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    Perhaps "not a person" isn't the right way to put it. More like "already passed away." I was being a bit provocative, sorry.

    Regarding stimuli -- fair enough, that is a good argument actually. But to me that indicates a "kink" in the graph of their moral worth; it ought to resemble a point where they start gaining moral worth, but not a point where they immediately have it.

    Of course, this is all very speculative, vibes-based and handwavey. I don't know how to define someone's moral worth -- which is precisely why I don't see why birth is special to one's moral worth.

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    • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

      "Libertarian" is far more broad than, say, Marxist-Leninist or Anarcho-Communist. When you go from "Marxist" as an umbrella to "Marxist-Leninist" as a category within Marxism, you are generally conforming to that specification's tendencies. At that point of specificity, there are more "solved" questions than unsolved.

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      Oh yeah sure. More solved questions than unsolved seems like a good way to put it. But there are still points of dissent though.

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      • jerkface@lemmy.caJ [email protected]

        Well, I didn't say all animals, I said the ones we create. When you create an individual, the act places in that individuals debt. You don't own them, you owe them. We have a duty not to harm all individuals on Earth so far as we can help it, but we have far greater responsibilities to those individuals that we bring into existence. There is no difference, morally, between forcing a child and forcing an animal to exist.

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        I do find topics like natalism and deathism quite fascinating. I'm not certain you're correct, but I do think what you're saying is very plausible. I lean more utilitarian, so I find it hard to justify the notion of debt to a specific entity -- after all, if you can do right by the entity you create, shouldn't it be equally good to do right by another entity?

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          As someone who was in a supportive relationship with a transgender person for 3 years and who personally struggles associating with my own gender, I never really got into the stating my gender pronouns.

          I get why it's done for the times it matters and can do so in a sensitive space, but I get the sense it's usually done as public compliance (like a cis neolib as an email sig), which can lead to shallow support or worse, resentment. What we ultimately need is more genuine contact with people different from ourselves because that helps reduce "othering" a group.

          Oh, but I do tend to default to "they" out of old internet habits. Always disliked the assumption all gamers are men.

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          It makes me uncomfortable to state my personal pronouns. Years of growing up as a woman on the internet makes me not want to reveal my gender, even when it's obvious (like in person).

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            No proof is absolutely undeniable. Especially not in an age when generative AI will soon be able to fabricate evidence easily.

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            DNA based proofs are pretty undeniable unless you have a twin.

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            • frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzF [email protected]

              Consider the scenario where you meet a man. You know his name is Bradley (either through mutual friends or whatever), but he introduces himself as Alex. You can call him Bradley, and it would be technically correct, but it would be slightly rude when he has explicitly given his preferred name as Alex.

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              I don't think that's quite right. It's more like referring to him by another title such as "a friend of mine" or "a person I met" etc.

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                Immigration is universally a roaring net positive in all of history ; economically, socially, everything. It's more than disinformation when they spew talking points. It's hate. And most people complicit are just fully ignorant. USA lost their empire due to lack of education. Every other first world nations have their success in lockstep with the level of education they give their kids. A heist of all wealth has been conducted and you are viewing the aftermath. Elon will find your coffers empty. The real treasure, turns out, was the people.

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                Is it your political creed commonly against immigration?

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                  I would argue calling all they/them is the opposite of misgendering. "They" has no gender. It is neuter.

                  "Intentional non-gendering" seems sensible and inoffensive. No chance of misgendering anyone.

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                  I have met one person (in real life) who uses she/he pronouns. I asked if I can call her they and she said no. I don't know what to make of this, personally, as I'm unable to understand it, but I do try to abide by her request. I suspect she is an outlier though.

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                    DNA based proofs are pretty undeniable unless you have a twin.

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                    It's not necessarily true. I mean you could be framed with your DNA. I'm not arguing that it's plausible, just not absolutely undeniable. For instance, I would bet dollars to donuts that somebody has tried to frame someone else using their DNA.

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                      Well, I posted about this in this topic because I think it's not a perspective that's gained traction. Please help spread the good word..!

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                      I've been thinking of starting some sort of group to help with that goal-- would you be interested? I'm not sure what we could do, but I want to do something, you know? I figure the best impact I can have is to convince other people that I mostly agree with to adopt this approach, which is what I envision the group could help with.

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                      • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                        The answer is no in both instances, hence why labor vouchers are only sensible in a centralized and publicly owned and planned economy that has gotten rid of the necessity for small commodity producers.

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                        Interesting. That could work. Feels a little draconian though.

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                          Leftism is unpopular by definition, especially to the privileged classes. Leftism seeks to upend the status quo, and loss aversion is a problem.

                          Not that efforts can't be made.

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                          How it's possible that the political movement that aim for the benefits of the 99% is unpopular by definition?

                          Identity politics may be unpopular by definition.

                          But the leftist movement is by definition a popular movement, and tons of alienation are needed to make people stop supporting themselves and support the 1%

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                            Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                            I don't like racism against white people or sexism against men. Do I think they're less urgent or worrying than bigotry directed at other groups? Sure. There's less hate against men and whites compared to other demographic groups, and bigotry against them simply doesn't have the same social or political impact due to current systemic racism and sexism being directed at other groups. But bigotry is still bigotry, and I don't like bigotry against anyone.

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                              Is it your political creed commonly against immigration?

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                              China and DPRK strongly restrict immigration, whereas there are lots of neoliberals advocating immigration for free market reasons

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                                Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                I'm a lefty artist (video) and pro-A.I. That is to say, I don't believe training generative models on any information constitutes copyright infringement when the model is sold. The abstraction to latent space is sufficiently transformative.

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                                • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                  I don't really know what constitutes a "political creed," really, so I don't know how to answer.

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                                  He means who do you circlejerk with on tinternet

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.

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                                    you can't learn much about leftism from the USA

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                                      Well yah. The alternative is barter and farmers only need so many cell phones and software developers.

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                                      The alternative is barter

                                      No. Never has been.

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                                        It's all well and good for leftist individuals to achieve that understanding, but how can we effect change without more of the population being swayed to this ideology?

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                                        You still haven’t achieved that understanding. Ideology does not come about from ‘convincing’ or ‘swaying’ anyone. I once again suggest you to read Settlers to see why this thought process is flawed. I understand where you are coming from but the material precedes the immaterial

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                                          You still haven’t achieved that understanding. Ideology does not come about from ‘convincing’ or ‘swaying’ anyone. I once again suggest you to read Settlers to see why this thought process is flawed. I understand where you are coming from but the material precedes the immaterial

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                                          Very well, I'll look at it.

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