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Asking for…umm…a friend. How long before Meta deletes your content after you request to delete your account?

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  • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

    Fuck! Thanks. Anyway my…ummm…friend can have his meta footprint deleted?

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    Unless someone feels like breaking into a datacenter (and likely several cold backup facilities) and mechanically wiping data, that shit is there forever. Facebook deletes nothing.

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    • zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneZ [email protected]

      Unless someone feels like breaking into a datacenter (and likely several cold backup facilities) and mechanically wiping data, that shit is there forever. Facebook deletes nothing.

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      "Never Delete Anything" is Standard at every place I've worked. What happens is that anything that is requested to be deleted is simply marked as "Deleted" in the database.

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        "Never Delete Anything" is Standard at every place I've worked. What happens is that anything that is requested to be deleted is simply marked as "Deleted" in the database.

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        Not to discredit or counterpoint what you're saying... But in some jurisdictions, that's illegal. As an example, California RTA/RTF laws make it a requirement that some data should be deleted unless there's a different legal standard requiring the data be kept. Enforcement? Who knows?

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        • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

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          "Your" content? I seem to remember that everything you post is their (meta's) content.

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            Not to discredit or counterpoint what you're saying... But in some jurisdictions, that's illegal. As an example, California RTA/RTF laws make it a requirement that some data should be deleted unless there's a different legal standard requiring the data be kept. Enforcement? Who knows?

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            To add, not deleted stuff is what my favorite lawyers call "discoverable". Not sure how many lawyers Meta has but I'm betting at least one of them is reminding them deleting stuff is a good thing.

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            • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

              Fuck! Thanks. Anyway my…ummm…friend can have his meta footprint deleted?

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              If your friend is an EU citizen, they might have some luck with a GDPR request to delete all their data.

              They also might not. Meta technically would have to comply, but there is no real way to know if they did.

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              • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

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                They need the data to train theur AI. They will not delete. They may glag that the account is now deleted and add this to the data fed to the AI.

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                • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                  Fuck! Thanks. Anyway my…ummm…friend can have his meta footprint deleted?

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                  Sane response as the EU but for California

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                  • zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneZ [email protected]

                    Unless someone feels like breaking into a datacenter (and likely several cold backup facilities) and mechanically wiping data, that shit is there forever. Facebook deletes nothing.

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                    mechanically wiping data

                    You mean thermite the drives while the employees are gone for a holiday/lunch?

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                    • phase@lemmy.8th.worldP [email protected]

                      They need the data to train theur AI. They will not delete. They may glag that the account is now deleted and add this to the data fed to the AI.

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                      Even for European users? That seems illegal.

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                      • deadcatbounce@reddthat.comD [email protected]

                        "Your" content? I seem to remember that everything you post is their (meta's) content.

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                        Where did you get that information from? Their ToS say nothing like that. Stop spreading fake news.

                        When you delete your account as a European they are legally required to delete everything associated with you or that you created.

                        Please don't spread fake news without providing a source.

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                        • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

                          I'm going with .. never.

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                          That's illegal in Europe.

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                          • moe93@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

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                            It should be 30 days

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                              Even for European users? That seems illegal.

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                              It is illegal if you send a delete request.

                              The question is here, if 'delete account' is the same as asking Meta to delete all data in the regard of GDPR. My guess is, its not.

                              There's also no way they will retrain their AI without your data, just because you told them to.

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                                It is illegal if you send a delete request.

                                The question is here, if 'delete account' is the same as asking Meta to delete all data in the regard of GDPR. My guess is, its not.

                                There's also no way they will retrain their AI without your data, just because you told them to.

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                                Are you from the EU? We have an entirely different UI than the US. We get additional options. When you request to delete your account and all the data it gets deleted. I'm confident of that. The EU has given very expensive fines for much less than that.

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                                  Are you from the EU? We have an entirely different UI than the US. We get additional options. When you request to delete your account and all the data it gets deleted. I'm confident of that. The EU has given very expensive fines for much less than that.

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                                  GDPR permits anonymizing data instead of deleting it, provided anonymization is irreversible. They're keeping it one way or another. They don't need to know who the data belongs to to feed it to an AI.

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                                    It should be 30 days

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                                    And if you attempt to sign back in, or open anything that auto signs you in, it will cancel the 30 day countdown to delete and restore your account.

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Where did you get that information from? Their ToS say nothing like that. Stop spreading fake news.

                                      When you delete your account as a European they are legally required to delete everything associated with you or that you created.

                                      Please don't spread fake news without providing a source.

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                                      It is in their ToS actually...

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                                      Facebook

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                                      • comradepedro@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                        It is in their ToS actually...

                                        Instagram

                                        Facebook

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                                        Bad source. This is not even the European ToS and the information listed on it isn't referenced. It's like asking ChatGPT for an answer.

                                        It's European law that your personal content gets deleted or completely deanonymized. The latter is in most cases obviously not possible with Facebook or Instagram posts.

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                                          GDPR permits anonymizing data instead of deleting it, provided anonymization is irreversible. They're keeping it one way or another. They don't need to know who the data belongs to to feed it to an AI.

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                                          It's going to be really difficult to anonymize personal posts. FB and Instagram posts often include personal information. Feeding it to AI isn't going to help as someone might find a way to reproduce it with queries and they get in trouble.

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