Are we modern humans, across the board, enormous wussies compared to people, say, 150+ years ago?
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
What? Soft? Do you think they would mock us for having industrialised society with food and medicines and public schools and well educated people and jobs that don't break your body at the age of 35? Why would they do that? Would you look into the future and mock them for having a cure for cancer and HIV and Alzheimer's and better health and foods and even more comfortable living and transport and jobs and entertainment?
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Physically, most of us are way weaker and in worse physical shape. (Look at old time photos for far people, or sideshow people labelled as "world's fattest man" who would not raise an eyebrow lumbering through walmart these days.) I wonder how the balance of more manual work vs our sedentary and fatty lifestyles would play out.
I also think folks were more ready to die or get hurt as that's just how things happened, so probably more willing to be beaten as part of a strike etc.
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Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.
Literal fascist rhetoric
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Your question made me think about comedian Ryan Hamilton's bit about the New Yorker visiting rural Idaho and wandering off to get gluten free cupcakes never to be seen again.
We for sure have it easier today.
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
We'd have less tolerance to suffering. But we're also way healthier so our bodies would be stronger and faster.
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Back in the day the peasant knew his station in life and he would fight for his interest when the time comes.
Modern pedon is a Grade A bootlicker that thinks he is part of the club.
It is a disgusting, pathological behaviour and nothing will change until we hit a critical mass of freedom enjoyers willing to do proper opposition to the regime oppression of the workers.
Modern pedon is a Grade A bootlicker that thinks he is part of the club.
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edit: /world
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Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
That's an interesting question. Many people are answering the question "Would people from 150 years ago think the quality of life is better" instead of "Would they think modern people are weaker."
I think that depends on how you define "weak" or "strong." Physically, I think there is less manual labor needed, so in general people from the past may look at us as weaker. The understanding of mental health and resilience is lesser in the past, but if conveyed in relative terms, I do think they would see how more resilient we need to generally be to things now like doom scrolling and algorithms that we are exposed to in the present.
Humans are pretty adaptable. Since we generally have more access to resources now, I would argue modernity has the side effect of hindering our sense of agency. Likewise, we are adapting different "strengths" based on the challenges we get in the present.
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Thanks for your answer! I was afraid I had posed the question wrong somehow but this is exactly what I was getting at.
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Yes they would think we were softies.
I even see it just in my families immediate generations. My grandfather rode his bike everywhere, and never owned a car. He was fit. He got hit by a car once and waited at the hospital, after a few hours he said screw it, and cycled home.
For me growing up most families had one car, which the working parent drove, so if you needed to get to a friends house or anywhere it was by foot or by bike if it was outside of town. Or waiting several hours at a place for a ride. Being further from home meant you had to sometimes get creative for food. Friend and I once sharpened sticks and spearfished and cooked lunch over a dried stick fire rather than walk all the way back home.
My adult kids are hardworking individuals but they grew up with more modern convenience of 2 cars, uber, functioning bus system, food delivery. If their car or phone app broke, I think they would find walking or biking somewhere a deterrent to following through, especially if it was raining.
And there is the teen generation who you hear instantly complain "oh my gawd, my uber is like 1 minute late, like I have been standing here sooo long" LOL
And a parent suggesting they walk leads to "oh my gawduh, then I will be all sweaty!"That teen is never spearfishing because the walk home is too far. If their phone dies (along with payment app) they will probably have a breakdown/ feel stranded. My grandfather would never be able to fathom somebody being so unreliant onthemselves let along Somebody from 150 years ago seeing an able bodied teen not be able to use their legs.
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Literal fascist rhetoric
You may be confusing actual strong men, the men who made the new deal, the greatest generation who fought world wars and survived the great depression with fake man baby toddler "strong men" such as putin, jong il, erdogan, musk, and shitler. I stand by the strong men of the greatest generation created good times which led to this generation of neo-fascist man babies. Real men dont perform masculinity.
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Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.
And soft men make you hard
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Ah, but you see people in the 1920’s had to fight for their immune defense to polio. People in the 2020’s were handed theirs on a silver syringe and are, therefore, wussies
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Quality of life is definitely exponentially better than it was at that time. However, while we may not face the same physical turmoils, I believe the mental turmoil is much, much greater in the modern day. We do not have nearly as much concern for physical health, but mental health has hit the floor. I don’t know that the general human condition is necessarily “better” or “worse”, just different
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Considering things like modern medicine not being available, infant and child mortality, the gruesome nature of most work back then... would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
What can we infer from people's mindsets and resilience back then vs now, and do you think we're on the verge of a return to these conditions?
I think techno-feudalism has the capacity to be much more brutal than any old time machiavellan clown. The way our minds are deliberately manipulated by algorithms nowadays are much more subtle and insidious than anything the tyrants of yesteryear could've dreamt up, while at the same time convincing people they have it better than ever.
Here's a half hour video on how industrial work differed from agricultural work
There are some cases where stresses back then were worse than today, but there are a lot of cases where today is worse from the point of view of certain stresses.
You also have differences in expectations. For instance, it was common for children to die due to different reasons. That vastly changes the parent-child dynamic.
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would a "standard" commoner from back then laugh at how 'soft' our world has become from their point of view?
No, they'd either want the same or they'd think we're evil magicians and want to burn us at the stake. Who tf wants more infant mortality (except for US Republicans and their ilk).
"Ah yes, dying in childbirth really builds character!"
"Contracting polio really put hair on my son's chest and made him into the man he is today!"
"I'm so glad I can look forward to a life of hard physical labor and and death at 40. Not like those future weaklings who might survive into their 70s and beyond."
"Oh, boy. Chattel slavery has been great for us. The family that picks cotton together, sticks together ... until our owners decide to sell us off."
The people back then lived to 60-70 years. The average life expectancy was 30-40 years because of the extremely high child mortality. Almost like half the children died before they became 10 years old. Most of them died within their first year when the body and immune system are still very weak.
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