Trump says US will not make Ukraine security guarantees ‘beyond very much’ and Kyiv can ‘forget about’ joining Nato – live
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The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US' "guarantee", when they've been nothing but untrustworthy.
And people's lives are not toys. I get the sentiment behind wanting less people to die. But Trump and Putin do think people's lives are toys, so I can't imagine the outcome of this being beneficial in any way to Ukraine.
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And there is no provision to remove a more member from NATO.
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I guess by staying in they can derail it being useful to anybody else, veto new members, etc.
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No, it’s not.
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Ukraine wouldn’t last long with US support.
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Of course not. That would be against Putins commands.
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The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US’ “guarantee”, when they’ve been nothing but untrustworthy.
Bro, this whole ordeal is a lesson in why not to trust the west.
Ukraine should've kept its nukes and mined the shit out of its border with Russia. Every single day of peace should've been spent preparing for war.
In hindsight, any retard who said "but preparations will be seen as aggression!" should be chastised for the damaging retards they are. Looks like when we listen to them, Ukraine still gets invaded!
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What nations should they listen to instead?
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Their own mostly. Countries don't have country buddies.
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Or maybe they play along hoping the next US election cycle allows them to join NATO.
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Right. Germany, Poland, Italy and Ukraine are.
And the EU is going to federalise -
If US can't guarantee, then sell the raw earth to the EU instead or china, india.
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France is still exploiting Africa for raw resources. They didn't stop just because African countries got flag independence.
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You can remove a member by all leaving and forming NATO 2 and not accepting the member they wanted to remove.
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The EU is more likely to dissolve than to federalize.
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No worries, Macron has been working very hard to put an end to Françafrique and it is already mostly over
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the reason they gave up their nuclear weapons was that it was an expensive and cumbersome responsibility that they had no practical use for outside of dirty bombs and terrorist tactics, as they didnt have the means to launch the missiles.
an often forgotten bit of information too, is that during this time, the USA was NOT friendly with Ukraine, the US Government did not Trust Ukraine an inch, and was not going to tolerate them to have nuclear weapons.
in 1991 the world went from having like 7 Nuclear states, to 10 all in the blink of an eye. and the 7 who were there before, wanted the new crowd removed immediatley from the club
The world treated the Russian Federation as if it was the replacement for the USSR, and Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were not going to be tolerated keeping these weapons, if they did, they would have been treated like North Korea or Iran.
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NATO will not see any new members again.
the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like Hungary, and America's refusal to honor Article 5 is an open secret now.
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the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like
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Russia has been doing the things people Hate America for, longer than America has existed.
the only reason people turn a blind eye to it is because they are used to thinking of Russia as this huge country with all this territory. And not as a Country that wages war all over the corners of the world because they dont have force projectionthere are hundreds of millions of people in the world who feel the same way about Russia as contemporary people feel about America since the end of WW2... Except they exist along Russias borders and not scattered across the planet like Central America, Iraq, Libya and Vietnam.
Russia murdered, raped, pillaged, and genocided its way into where it is, Russia is a prison of nations.
