Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting
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The media outlets most likely to do that (AP & Reuters) are no longer allowed in the room for these kinds of things.
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That's very much how I read it. "Be grateful you got what you got, and if you don't kiss my ass and give me a big payment, I'm leaving you and your people to rot. I'm fine either way."
Every day I think it's going to be hard to make me be more ashamed of my country, but they do it with such ease.
Zelensky took it like a champ though, and I got to watch much of the video after my original comment, and while Vance was trashing him for not saying thank you nicely enough, when he mentioned the brave people of Ukraine, that was when Zelensky said thank you again as he was being talked over.
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"They didn't know"^TM^
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most of you decided voting was too much of hassle
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50% of the people that voted in the last election voted for him. Some people didn't vote, so about 33% of those that could vote voted for him. Since the election, his approval ratings dropped about 15-20%, so about 25% of those able to vote still support him.
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Everyone who didn't vote supports this.
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No, most of you either directly voted for him or didn't care if he won.
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How is NATO dead, just because the US is no longer reliable the rest of the countries can still respond
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Man, don't take a look at the conversations sub. They are all high fiving each other over this. For them it was a rush of masculinity and power live on TV. You've got folks saying that Vance never looked so good and how they want to name their first born over him.
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Why did people vote for the Orange one? How.can you be so stupid?
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Ah it's time for Poland to raise a big stink about the next errant missile and invoke article 5 as the zerg rush red square
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NATO is dead for all practical purposes. You think this trump asswipe is going to lift a finger if anything serious happens in Europe?
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NATO was a tool of American influence. Just as the Warsaw pact was a tool of Russian influence.
The trans-atlantic partnership is over. NATO is obsolete, a successor is needed. America has checked out,
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Further, it's 50% of the people in the swing states that really decide things. I'm sure most New Yorkers and Californians that didn't vote did so because they knew their state would go blue regardless.
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Nato is not dead just because the US leaves it.
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I wasn't convinced at first that NATO is dead on Trump's first term. But here we are and it is a long time coming.
Some analysts think that the unipolar world is over, and that we're heading into a multipolar world again but dominated by regional blocs. The EU is definitely there, and sometime later the African Union will become more cohesive and globally influential. But I don't see Latin America having as strong regional grouping as the EU. In Asia, we can forget it because Asians tend to be insular. There is ASEAN but they do not have the same solidarity as the EU.
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the US and Hungary have no reason to officially leave NATO because they can sabotage it from within and use it to blackmail and steer Europe into the position they want, being puppets of Russia and US.
the last thing America wants is a detatched Europe that isnt allied with them, they see independent Europe as a hostile entity, they are only interested in Europe being vassal states.
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Definitely not most.
