Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting
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Watched it, my takes: Trump is definitly the lets make an offer he can't refuse type of negociator. I am thinking that the last week's visits have been hard on their ego. I suspect there is an agreement between european leaders to not let them get away with lies and bullshit when in person, even in the oval office. And it seems to be working, Vance respect comment make them look real fricking weak.
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If as many people who turned up to vote would turn up to protest, things would change. Alas, liberals who think filling out the ballot is enough democracy for 4 years are not friends of democracy.
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The respect comment took me back to his donut comments. The couchfucker is a charisma void.
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They basically handed one of the strongest countries in the world to a very typical college bully and his lackies.
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He was supposed to be the "adult" in the room. They all fear Trump... For some reason, I don't get it.
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Zelensky is the strongest man in the world to be able to hold himself back from attacking these ass holes.
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Almost nobody using Lemmy voted for him.
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trump is a good punishment for power-hungry politicians, too bad that it is at everyone else's expense.
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If you want to see the full video, including the parts before the discussion gets hot, here's the full video.
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I'm an American and I'm upvoting this. After 2016, I thought that there were some misguided people who didn't realize what they were doing, but that the first Trump term would push the pendulum hard the other direction. I felt a little validated when Biden won in 2020, but it wasn't as one sided as I'd hoped. But Trump winning decisively in 2024 tells me that everyone knew and did it anyway. People are getting what they want: rampant racism, sexism, and global bullying.
So yes, we suck, and no one should trust us as a country, regardless of the fact that there are many of us who knew how catastrophic another Trump term would be.
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The "respect" and "you should be thankful" comments reminded me of that old (I think Tumblr) post:
Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes they use "respect" to mean "treating someone like an authority".
and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say "if you won't respect me, I won't respect you" and they mean "if you won't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person."
and they think they're being fair, but they aren't, and it's not okay.
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Putin is going to make a hard move into the baltics during Trump’s first 2 years, including NATO countries. And Europe won’t be able to do shit about it. They need defenses now and European leadership needs to fast track it.
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Trump's body looks about 50 years too young in this.
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The whole thing felt like an embodiment of this meme:
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I mean, it would have certainly resulted in him being shot on the spot. The Secret Service would shoot anyone .
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Fuck the MAGA US. Kick them out of NATO, and let's arm Europe. Between France and the UK we are a nuclear power of our own.
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its better to move on and forget about them, because they made it very clear over the last 10 years these types of people absolutley do not give a fuck about anyone elses opinion, and would much rather kill anyone who gets in their way.
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It means they have to under their treaty obligations. If they choose not to, they are in violation of the treaty and NATO is just over. If the Americans want to do this, they should forever be reminded that article 5 has been used only once before, by them, and the allies came to their aid no questions asked.
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you talk as if Europe doesn't have agency, or a military.
they do. they have gaps in their capability that have been created by the departure of US. and they no longer have the overwhelming advantage against Russia, but the thing is Russia will still get absolutely smoked.
the only thing that has changed, is it will be a far bloodier fight. Europe and America are both casualty averse. the prospect of things like Bucha Mariupol and Irpin happening in their cities, the population isnt ready for that.
(And to be clear, what happened in those towns and cities were a crime against humanity, after what Russia did there the Ukrainians understood very well this is a genocidal total war, its kill or be killed, and I dont think Europe has understood thats what its going to be.)
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The core of the issues were fully American. However, USSR/Russia has worked very long and hard to pour nitroglycerin and gasoline on these issues for their own benefit, such as expanding territory, capturing/killing US and NATO spies, etc. all thanks to their little pet in the white house now. I mean in the 30s the same fascist/capitalist leadership tried another coup it just didn't work (where George H.W. Bush's father was involved, of course). In the 80s they hollowed out our support system even more, and it's only declined from there.
It's clear you don't know who I am or what I know, of course, but you're reading into my comment way too much.
