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OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use

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  • X [email protected]

    if the library doesn’t have a book, they will order it from another library….
    every american library…

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    What if it's out of print?

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      Now you get why we were all told to hate AI. It's a patriot act for copywrite and IP laws. We should be able too. But that isn't where our discussions were steered was it

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      Man, what if we abolished copyright, but also banned gen AI completely. I think that would be the funniest answer.

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      • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

        Probably allowing everything but producing reproductions.

        Basically they could use the ideas from the book and whatnot to do whatever. But they couldn't just print duplicates with a different cover and sell them for cheaper.

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        I suppose it would encourage George Martin to get a move on. Otherwise you could set stories in his universe before he finished writing the third book. I still think 5 years is too short though.

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        • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksZ [email protected]

          What if it's out of print?

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          i am guilty of hyperbole… i should’ve qualified my infinitives with “just about” and such….
          i am more sorry about my inaccuracy than anyone has ever felt sorry about anything

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          • demonsword@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

            all billionaires do

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            Keep your filthy paws away from my boy George Lucas

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            • X [email protected]

              if the library doesn’t have a book, they will order it from another library….
              every american library…

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              Interlibrary Loan isn't available everywhere (at least back when I used to work at a library ~10 years ago it wasn't). If it is, it often has an associated fee (usually at least shipping fees, sometimes an additional service fee). I think the common exception to that is public university libraries.

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              • L [email protected]

                Stripping away your carefully crafted wording, the differences fade away. "Hitting a randomizer" until usable ideas come out is an equally inaccurate description of either human creativity or AI. And again, the contention is that using AI violates copyright, not how it allegedly does that.

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                So the other thing with AI is the companies are not just making money on the output like an artist would. They are making bank on investors and stock market speculation that exists only because they scooped up massive amounts of copyrighted materials to create their output. It really isn't comparable to a single artist or even a collection of artists.

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                  So the other thing with AI is the companies are not just making money on the output like an artist would. They are making bank on investors and stock market speculation that exists only because they scooped up massive amounts of copyrighted materials to create their output. It really isn't comparable to a single artist or even a collection of artists.

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                  Again, AI doesn't do anything, any more than hammers and saws build houses. People use AI to do things. Anyway, profiting from investors and speculators without giving creators a piece of the action isn't a consequence of AI, it's how our whole system already works.

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                  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                    I am good with that.

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                      But I can't pirate copyrighted materials to "train" my own real intelligence.

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                      That's because the elites don't want you to think for yourself, and instead are designing tools that will tell you what to think.

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                      • U [email protected]

                        Truly open is the only way LLMs make sense.

                        They're using us and our content openly. The relationship should be reciprocal. Now, they need to somehow keep the servers running.

                        Perhaps a SETI like model?

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                        I mean, make em non profit (or not for profit) and perfecly good with that. Also open source the model so I can run it on my own hardware if I want to.

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                          Perhaps this is just a problem with the way the model works. Always requiring new data and unable to use current data, to ponder and expand upon while making new connections about ideas that influenced the author… LLM’s are a smoke and mirrors show, not a real intelligence.

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                          They do seem fundamentally limited somehow. With all the bazillion watts they are cheap imitation at best compared to mere 20 Watts of human brain

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                            There's also an argument that if the business was that reliant on free things to start with, then it shouldn't be a business.

                            No-one would bat their eyes if the CEO of a real estate company was sobbing that it's the end of the rental market, because the company is no longer allowed to get houses for free.

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                            Agribusiness in shambles after draining the water table (it is still free)

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                              Oops, oh well. I very much hope it's over, asshole.

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                                looks good

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                                • emmie@lemm.eeE [email protected]

                                  They do seem fundamentally limited somehow. With all the bazillion watts they are cheap imitation at best compared to mere 20 Watts of human brain

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                                  or it might be playing dumb...

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                                    Apparantly their trying to get Deepseek banned again, really doesn't like competition this guy.

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                                      I mean, make em non profit (or not for profit) and perfecly good with that. Also open source the model so I can run it on my own hardware if I want to.

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                                      Open AI kind of is a nonprofit. It's a nonprofit entity owned by a for profit entity, which is fucky and defeats the purpose, but that's an argument you'll see people make.

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                                        I am good with that.

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                                        dont threaten me with a good time

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                                          No, actually they've just finally admitted that they can't improve them any further because there's not enough training data in existence to squeeze any more demonizing returns out of.

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