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A big part of learning Linux is screwing up computers and starting over.

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    I started nearly 30 years ago and cannot count the dead systems I have left in my wake. Just on the 2000-ish thing where Dell first offered Linux but it was inherently unstable after booting the pre-written disk image if you touched it, alone... So many kernel sanity failures...

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    They died for a reason, for yor growth

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      I started nearly 30 years ago and cannot count the dead systems I have left in my wake. Just on the 2000-ish thing where Dell first offered Linux but it was inherently unstable after booting the pre-written disk image if you touched it, alone... So many kernel sanity failures...

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      I'm lucky to have only had one system nuked by a faulty power supply that shut down during a kernel update.

      I usually just reinstalled back then. But I didn't get into it till the late nineties. Back when Ian was still on the list serves.

      Unless you mean nuking the OS or borking the bootloader. Then yeah, countless.

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        My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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        I’m not sure I’ve ever actually killed a system, I’ve booted from UEFI shell manually just to recover systems. Back when I was using arch id just chroot into the system from a flash drive and fix whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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          The "starting over" part is what made it take so long for linux to "stick" with me.

          Once it became "restore from an earlier image", it was a game changer!

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            I’m not sure I’ve ever actually killed a system, I’ve booted from UEFI shell manually just to recover systems. Back when I was using arch id just chroot into the system from a flash drive and fix whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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            This is the way!

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              My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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              Another big part is learning how to set it up in a way that it's functional and productive the first time and then STOP FUCKING WITH IT.

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                My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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                i broke debian on my plex server and said fuck it and migrated to endeavor because im more familiar with arch

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                  My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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                  It do be like that, at least for the first couple years, and typically with decreasing frequency.

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                  • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

                    The "starting over" part is what made it take so long for linux to "stick" with me.

                    Once it became "restore from an earlier image", it was a game changer!

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                    Tell me more

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                      Tell me more

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                      Timeshift was a gamechanger

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                        They died for a reason, for yor growth

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                        True, sacrifices on the altar of the God Sysadmin, and their divine mount Er'orreport

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                        • badbrainstorm@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                          Timeshift was a gamechanger

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                          Timeshift itself borked my shit up. I had to reinstall all registered packages to fix its fuckups..

                          sudo aptitude reinstall '~i'

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                            Timeshift itself borked my shit up. I had to reinstall all registered packages to fix its fuckups..

                            sudo aptitude reinstall '~i'

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                            While only once, timeshift destroyed my bootloader. Don't update and reboot before a meeting, kids

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                              My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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                              I used to have a side system with /home on its own partition precisely to learn different distros and setups. It makes it much easier having a partition which is retained.

                              These days, qemu is your friend for playing around with random Linux stuff.

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                                While only once, timeshift destroyed my bootloader. Don't update and reboot before a meeting, kids

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                                My test of Timeshift was pretty simple and straightforward.

                                1. Fresh install Linux Mint

                                2. Install most of the main software I wanted.

                                3. Do a Timeshift backup.

                                4. Install some extra software I didn't necessarily need, but might want to use someday.

                                5. Restore the backup from step 3.

                                Results: Everything from step 4 was still registered as installed, but almost nothing from step 4 actually worked.

                                So I brute force reinstalled everything in place, and haven't used Timeshift since. I'm perfectly comfortable using the terminal, and at worst a live boot media, to fix any issues that might come up.

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                                  Timeshift itself borked my shit up. I had to reinstall all registered packages to fix its fuckups..

                                  sudo aptitude reinstall '~i'

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                                  I also can't get over the fact that it doesn't understand RAID or filesystems somehow.

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                                  • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

                                    The "starting over" part is what made it take so long for linux to "stick" with me.

                                    Once it became "restore from an earlier image", it was a game changer!

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                                    The starting over part actually contributed to me continuing to use linux tbh. Trying out a new distro, figuring out how to use it, and building a new user interface each time I killed my system kept me engaged with linux beyond its utility. It functioned essentially as a way to learn about computers and as a creative outlet. I don't fuck around and find out as much as I used to but I still swap distro every year or so.

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                                    • timesquirrel@kbin.melroy.orgT [email protected]

                                      Another big part is learning how to set it up in a way that it's functional and productive the first time and then STOP FUCKING WITH IT.

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                                      That also sounds like a good way to stop learning!

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                                        My crippled kernel count is around 6, how about yours?

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                                        Bricking hardware is a form of enrichment for me.

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                                        • sharkfucker420@lemmy.mlS [email protected]

                                          The starting over part actually contributed to me continuing to use linux tbh. Trying out a new distro, figuring out how to use it, and building a new user interface each time I killed my system kept me engaged with linux beyond its utility. It functioned essentially as a way to learn about computers and as a creative outlet. I don't fuck around and find out as much as I used to but I still swap distro every year or so.

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                                          It was similar for me, but not quite the same. The thing I hated was starting from scratch. I'm very much not a distro hopper. Back in the day, I enjoyed the challenge of trying to troubleshoot issues and get the system working again, and that kept me interested, but eventually, I'd hit a problem I couldn't resolve, and I'd have to start again from scratch, and at that point, I'd just go back to Windows.

                                          Now, I still get to do the same thing. If I break it, I get to learn how I broke it and try and fix it, and I find that process compelling. But because I'm using btrfs restore points now, I don't get to the point where I have to start again from scratch. So I can work at solving it to the limit of my abilities, with confidence that if I can't work it out, it's not a huge issue.

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