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Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?

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  • C [email protected]

    The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

    The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

    But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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    Go google it.

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      Mint is Ubuntu with cinnamon minus snap +user friendliness

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      This is already too jargon filled for a new user and overwhelming. I already went through this with my partner who told me off for it lol.

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        Well, if I'm honest I tried to install Win11 before Linux but it was such a pain in the arse I gave up. The installer couldn't pick up the SSD so I had to download drivers onto USB and install them half way through the wizard. THEN, it wouldn't pick up the WiFi card so I bypassed that to get the installer to finish, and to top it off, even after I'd installed all the drivers, it still didn't pick it up, not in the device manager, nowhere, as if it didn't exist. So I gave up. Linux installed first time and although it's not quite perfect yet it's functional enough for me to actually use the flipping thing! Haha

        I've installed every Windows since 95 on various machines and never had so much trouble. Win11 is complete crap. And Microsoft are a bunch of dickheads for forcing it when there was literally nothing wrong with Win10.

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        I also had problems installing Win10 years ago, the problem was I had more than one drive plugged in... Took me half a day to figure that out.

        The only problem with installing Linux (pop_OS this time) was I didn't flash my USB stick properly, so user error. Also, could be my old Kingston Datatraveler isn't well suited for the job

        Don't even want to think how badly installing Win11 now would break my system...

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          Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB

          OpenRGB to the rescue: https://flathub.org/apps/org.openrgb.OpenRGB

          controlling the pump in my AIO?

          What do you need to control about your pump? I sure hope it works without OS support.

          Or the sound levels on ny headset?

          Move the volume slider up or down?

          Or the DPI in my mouse?

          Save them to the mouse as profile if it can or use Piper: https://flathub.org/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper

          in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2

          FSR Frame Gen works just fine, not sure why you need fake frames in more games.

          the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that's worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum

          There is also OnlyOffice and online MS Office. Not sure what you need to know about Outlook to open it and use your eyes to read the mails.

          even the Google office suite is being adopted faster

          Good news, it runs in a browser and works on every OS!

          Ah, but if the software is available there's still a chance it doesn't work because it's missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and... Sigh

          I have not fixed dependencies issue on Linux since the early 2000s. Flatpaks are your friend https://flathub.org/ .

          All in all, it's just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it's ok, and for laptops I'd think is mostly ok, great even.

          I run it on my high end PC and I disagree. It's ahead in many ways.

          • The graphics drivers are included and don't need any bloated software to work
          • It has a banger OpenGL driver, which makes games like Minecraft run significantly faster.
          • It has a very active community for game support for games where the developer does not care
          • It translates older DirectX versions to Vulkan automatically, resulting in a performance uplift and more stability. People on Windows are installing DXVK just so older games work. Look up DXVK in the Steam forums.
          • It downloads shader caches from Valve, preventing shader stutter in games that don't do it on their own

          That list could go on for a while and it's only for gaming.

          I haven't even gone into installation and not having to run ShutUp10 every time just to make the OS usable. Or how KDE is so much cleaner than Windows. Or how I don't have any ads in my start menu, don't have to force download Candy Crush on first boot, don't have pre-installed apps I can't remove, don't have to block my own OS in its firewall to get rid of telemetry, don't have to be told that I need to upgrade to Windows 11 constantly.

          For work: Docker just works, complex networking setups are not a pain to setup, creating VMs is so much easier and has so many more features. VPN is so seamlessly setup. I can read almost every file system on the planet and use ROCm without jumping through hoops. Not to mention I don't get Copilot and Recall shoved down my throat.

          Are there issues on Linux? Sure, lots of them. But if I find them I can tell somebody about it and don't have to deal with them for centuries.

          I'm rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that "could" work nicely.

          SteamOS is just a modern Linux distro with Steam pre-installed and in autostart. If stuff works there, it works on regular Linux just as well.

          Bazzite achieves the same thing right now: https://bazzite.gg/

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          Excellent breakdown. Well done!

          And on top of all that, the article is specifically about Microsoft urging people to get rid of old hardware, which I take to mean NOT current-gen, bleeding-edge gaming hardware. So my suggestion was about not being forced to upgrade your hardware to keep having a usable computer.

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            Linux users tell Microsoft to just get over it, dump your parasitic software and start over, because how hard can it be?

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              And I now I use Linux. Will never go back to Windows after this nonsense.

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              This is the way. Linux gave my computer more freedom and lifespan. Never go back again.

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                Linux users tell Microsoft to just get over it, dump your parasitic software and start over, because how hard can it be?

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                As hard as plugging in a USB with OS and follow instructions.

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                  Users to microsoft: "You're creating a huge pile of garbage out of perfectly fine devices because of unneeded hardware requirement"

                  microsoft: "It's ok, just buy a new one"

                  Rarely have a message gone through so bad.

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                    The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                    The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                    But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                    If you don’t know what to choose, just pick Mint and give it a try. It’s not that difficult. Don’t go for those things, which need more knowledge, start with the easiest one and if your knowledge is growing and you are willing to do distro hopping, you can try more complex stuff.

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                      Can MS be sued by EU for this? There was the thing with USB-C, because E-waste, and now the most used Desktop-OS says "just throw your PC away" for a not really needed (and artifically defined) requirement for a service most users don't want.

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                      I don't think there would be any legal standing for it. The computers being dropped won't be losing their functionality since users could just switch to something different or keep using Windows 10 without security patches. The

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                      • sturgist@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                        there is a vocal subset of the community that thinks referring people to just read technical manuals is fine

                        I mean, I agree, it's not ideal. Just to point out though.... Windows is also not really well documented, and if you have an issue that's a bit on the unusual side? You can find yourself skimming forums for days, or just saying fuck it and reinstalling. There's definitely more information out there on Windows troubleshooting, but it has market dominance and it would be insane if there wasn't loads out there.

                        If you come across people hating Ubuntu - including myself - it's usually for ideological reasons rather than usability ones.

                        Yeah, fuck canonical! Shame they make a fairly decent and stable distro......

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                        A lot of Windows troubleshooting info, even on Microsoft forums, is frankly garbage responses to reboot this, regedit that without any real fixing involved. The Linux stuff I find much better, especially when one of the actual developers gets involved which isn’t that uncommon.

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                          As hard as plugging in a USB with OS and follow instructions.

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                          Minus all the caveats like not being reliable on anything with an NVidia GPU or just hating your specific setup for no reason (I am salty, I'm going to keep trying anyway)

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                            Minus all the caveats like not being reliable on anything with an NVidia GPU or just hating your specific setup for no reason (I am salty, I'm going to keep trying anyway)

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                            I've recently convinced my daughter to try Mint in her system. She has GF 1650 and it worked out if the box with propietaryNvidia driver (nothing needed to install additionally, with the option to switch to open source driver). Really, it's not worse than on Windows.

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                              Just use Ubuntu. (Surely I'll get hate for this.)

                              It's based on Debian, a major branch off the tree. It just fucking works. Millions of tutorials, groups, etc. to find troubleshooting info. Probably won't have to do anything to get a machine running that does everything you're doing now.

                              Get the swing of that and go from there, if you want to try other branches.

                              This realization helped me quite a bit: Windows does all sorts of arcane voodoo with the registry and DLLs and such. Weird Linux appeals to many because all the configuration is contained in simple text files. Got a program that reads and write plain old text? Aight. You can configure Linux. In a way, it's so simple it's hard to get your head around coming from Windows.

                              tl;dr: Just download and install Ubuntu. Go from there with your nicely working machine.

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                              Yes, I hate it.

                              Use Mint - it works better than Ubuntu, Canonical has made enough 'mistakes' to get on the blacklist.

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                                This is the way. Linux gave my computer more freedom and lifespan. Never go back again.

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                                Linux speed increase over Windows it's like jumping 10 years into the future

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                                  Trading in a PC.... in 2025? To who? Where? What time period, even? They must be thinking it's still 1985, and you can trade in your IBM Compatible to your nearest IBM Distributor.

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                                  • nailbar@sopuli.xyzN [email protected]

                                    My Acer Nitro with OpenSUSE says hi 👋

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                                    My Acer Nitro with Aurora Says Hi!

                                    (I'm thinking maybe going to Kinonite)

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                                      Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB

                                      OpenRGB to the rescue: https://flathub.org/apps/org.openrgb.OpenRGB

                                      controlling the pump in my AIO?

                                      What do you need to control about your pump? I sure hope it works without OS support.

                                      Or the sound levels on ny headset?

                                      Move the volume slider up or down?

                                      Or the DPI in my mouse?

                                      Save them to the mouse as profile if it can or use Piper: https://flathub.org/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper

                                      in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2

                                      FSR Frame Gen works just fine, not sure why you need fake frames in more games.

                                      the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that's worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum

                                      There is also OnlyOffice and online MS Office. Not sure what you need to know about Outlook to open it and use your eyes to read the mails.

                                      even the Google office suite is being adopted faster

                                      Good news, it runs in a browser and works on every OS!

                                      Ah, but if the software is available there's still a chance it doesn't work because it's missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and... Sigh

                                      I have not fixed dependencies issue on Linux since the early 2000s. Flatpaks are your friend https://flathub.org/ .

                                      All in all, it's just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it's ok, and for laptops I'd think is mostly ok, great even.

                                      I run it on my high end PC and I disagree. It's ahead in many ways.

                                      • The graphics drivers are included and don't need any bloated software to work
                                      • It has a banger OpenGL driver, which makes games like Minecraft run significantly faster.
                                      • It has a very active community for game support for games where the developer does not care
                                      • It translates older DirectX versions to Vulkan automatically, resulting in a performance uplift and more stability. People on Windows are installing DXVK just so older games work. Look up DXVK in the Steam forums.
                                      • It downloads shader caches from Valve, preventing shader stutter in games that don't do it on their own

                                      That list could go on for a while and it's only for gaming.

                                      I haven't even gone into installation and not having to run ShutUp10 every time just to make the OS usable. Or how KDE is so much cleaner than Windows. Or how I don't have any ads in my start menu, don't have to force download Candy Crush on first boot, don't have pre-installed apps I can't remove, don't have to block my own OS in its firewall to get rid of telemetry, don't have to be told that I need to upgrade to Windows 11 constantly.

                                      For work: Docker just works, complex networking setups are not a pain to setup, creating VMs is so much easier and has so many more features. VPN is so seamlessly setup. I can read almost every file system on the planet and use ROCm without jumping through hoops. Not to mention I don't get Copilot and Recall shoved down my throat.

                                      Are there issues on Linux? Sure, lots of them. But if I find them I can tell somebody about it and don't have to deal with them for centuries.

                                      I'm rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that "could" work nicely.

                                      SteamOS is just a modern Linux distro with Steam pre-installed and in autostart. If stuff works there, it works on regular Linux just as well.

                                      Bazzite achieves the same thing right now: https://bazzite.gg/

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                                      The pump works without software obviously, but iCue let's you change the speed of the pump.

                                      Sound levels of the headset refers to the equalizer profiles.

                                      FSR Frame gen ISN'T AFMF, which is great on older games capped at 60fps where you can easily get 120fps and it honestly feels fine.

                                      and of course I know steamOS is just a distro, but they actually fine tuned stuff for gaming, and like I said, if you're only gaming, sure SteamOS/Bazzite or whatever might just work. But if you use your computer for basically anything else, most people will still have issues.

                                      All of what you described is just EXTRA work people need to know just to play games. The reality is that most "solutions" are always workarounds or alternatives. Most people prefer NATIVE first party support.

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                                      • pillowtalk420@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                        sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.

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                                        No! CheezWiz with raisins or nothing! Just like my mother used to make.

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                                          I can't recall ever trying it with peanut butter, that sounds interesting

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                                          Celery is excellent that way. A peanut butter lover's dream

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