Racism in Germany is the norm not the exception – DW – 03/23/2025
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It cracks me up how white people in usa and europe both think that europe is a post-racial utopia instead of an extremely racist colonial empire.
Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?
For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.
I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.
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"Muslim" is not a race. Headscarfs are not a race. This isn't racism, it's conformism. Conform to societies standards, and you won't be looked at weirdly.
We are a tribalistic species, and those that don't conform (to our monkey brains) are outsiders. Outsiders don't belong.
You don't have to confirm to society WHEN OUR SOCIETY IS ABOUT LIBERTY
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As a german citizen with an immigrant background from Eastern Europe, I can confirm this. It's bad enough for a white looking, german passing eastern european. My friends from the Middle East or Africa have had a much, much worse experience than I ever will. Hell, I was walking down the street with my black friend once and some guys in their early twenties decided it'd be funny to scream the N word at us out of their car while also telling us to "go back where we came from".
Or another interesting story, I was at McDonalds the day right after the Hamas attack on Israel happened. Apparently the cashier thought it'd be acceptable to tell the muslim woman (that was obviously just a student or a tourist coming from abroad cause she had a huge suitcase with her with those airline tags on it) in front of me that she should learn german or don't come here, then said shit like "only thing you muslims know to do is behead people" and gestured with his hand at his neck the movement of cutting someone's head off. I was the only one to intervene and tell him it's not okay. All the pasty ass german boomers behind me just stayed in line and waited for their shitty burgers to arrive, literally no words of condemnation.
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"Muslim" is not a race. Headscarfs are not a race. This isn't racism, it's conformism. Conform to societies standards, and you won't be looked at weirdly.
We are a tribalistic species, and those that don't conform (to our monkey brains) are outsiders. Outsiders don't belong.
Germans suffer from mass obedience and mass conformism more than any other country in western Europe I've been to. It's a national disease
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For someone coming in with an air of all facts and logic in your first post, this response is pretty underwhelming.
It's a different person
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It's a different person
So it is! Still in underwhelming response.
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So it is! Still in underwhelming response.
If you take it as an honest reply, it is deeper than it appears and fits good into your concept of conditioning.
I may just be too generous and naive though.
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If you take it as an honest reply, it is deeper than it appears and fits good into your concept of conditioning.
I may just be too generous and naive though.
It's pretty clear what the deeper meaning is. Indicating that people who can argue that humans aren't intrinsically shitty and appeal to our better nature are performative is still underwhelming bullshit.
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"Muslim" is not a race. Headscarfs are not a race. This isn't racism, it's conformism. Conform to societies standards, and you won't be looked at weirdly.
We are a tribalistic species, and those that don't conform (to our monkey brains) are outsiders. Outsiders don't belong.
I'd fucking die if I'd be surrounded by a homogenous mass of "typical germans". My fellow germans, mind you.
L take.
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It's pretty clear what the deeper meaning is. Indicating that people who can argue that humans aren't intrinsically shitty and appeal to our better nature are performative is still underwhelming bullshit.
Did he really indicate all that? Was it dismissive?
What if it was an honest remark? Doesnt it feel good to know this stuff and being able to write it out?
You're probably right and he was trying to be an asshole, but judging by the votes I dont seem to be the only one that didnt take his reply as snark.
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A lot of words to defend bigotry. The human species can be a lot of awful things if we look to our worst nature. Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically. It makes us highly plastic and adaptable to our circumstances. It also means we don't need to be assholes just because we can be. We can redefine and shape what is means to be an outsider. And, if a human can look at a drawing of a cartoon dog and feel empathy and humanize it, we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically.
Can we? Is this a statement of fact, or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Because I know quite a bit about history and, time and time again this doesn't seem to be true whatsoever. We are tribalistic by nature, and we've never been able to permanently break this fact.
It's not appealing to tribalism, it's understanding of the factual nature of ourselves. You have to know the worst of humanity, because you're never going to rid yourself of it. Many things will knock us down as people to our most basic of instincts, and these basic rules still govern our actions.
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Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically.
Can we? Is this a statement of fact, or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Because I know quite a bit about history and, time and time again this doesn't seem to be true whatsoever. We are tribalistic by nature, and we've never been able to permanently break this fact.
It's not appealing to tribalism, it's understanding of the factual nature of ourselves. You have to know the worst of humanity, because you're never going to rid yourself of it. Many things will knock us down as people to our most basic of instincts, and these basic rules still govern our actions.
Yes. Its observable just by looking at culture and society now versus thousands or even just hundreds or tens of years ago and comparing it to the time it takes for even a subspecies to arise. And, as information exchange speeds up due to technology, culture exchanges even faster and society develops faster.
I didn't say we don't have in groups and out groups (tribalism). I say we have control over what we consider in and out groups. It's not idealism. It's not what the world could be. Its just observable fact. We've literally shifted cultural perception in the last 50 years on all sorts of in and out groups (black and gay people are easy examples.
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Did he really indicate all that? Was it dismissive?
What if it was an honest remark? Doesnt it feel good to know this stuff and being able to write it out?
You're probably right and he was trying to be an asshole, but judging by the votes I dont seem to be the only one that didnt take his reply as snark.
Maybe they were being genuine and not sarcastic. I came out swinging because I was riled up by the first poster to be honest. If they're genuine, then I feel like a bit of a dick. Oops.
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Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?
For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.
I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.
Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
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Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
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A lot of words to defend bigotry. The human species can be a lot of awful things if we look to our worst nature. Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically. It makes us highly plastic and adaptable to our circumstances. It also means we don't need to be assholes just because we can be. We can redefine and shape what is means to be an outsider. And, if a human can look at a drawing of a cartoon dog and feel empathy and humanize it, we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
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Maybe they were being genuine and not sarcastic. I came out swinging because I was riled up by the first poster to be honest. If they're genuine, then I feel like a bit of a dick. Oops.
I think I would've reacted the same way if I wouldn't have been an outsider.
Rarely do I have positive interactions on here, so my initial reaction is defensive as well with everything that makes it into my inbox.
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Yes. Its observable just by looking at culture and society now versus thousands or even just hundreds or tens of years ago and comparing it to the time it takes for even a subspecies to arise. And, as information exchange speeds up due to technology, culture exchanges even faster and society develops faster.
I didn't say we don't have in groups and out groups (tribalism). I say we have control over what we consider in and out groups. It's not idealism. It's not what the world could be. Its just observable fact. We've literally shifted cultural perception in the last 50 years on all sorts of in and out groups (black and gay people are easy examples.
We didn't shift cultural perception at all. We may have enacted laws, but the people aren't any more or less receptive than they have been. That will take generations. Only thing that happened is that people hid it. Take a good long look at US politics and tell me that gay people and black people are any more accepted than they were...as half the population looks to tear down the institutions which allowed their equality to happen...
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Surely you have a lot of data to back this claim up
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Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
I'm saying that diversity takes time. I've seen Belgium go through different stages.
My wife's indonesian. You know what she'd be if she married an African guy? Disowned.
The Congolese in Belgium seem pretty wealthy, more wealthy than the Arabs in the same cities.
Perhaps linked to the source of immigration (economic immigrants with work visas) or their culture. Am talking bout Aalst specifically.
I don't have a clue about it at all, just trying to connect dots.
You can keep talking bout racism, will be beneficial for my kid in the future.
But don't have tunnel vision either. There's a lot of mono cultures out there in the world where there would be a lot of resistance to immigration. These countries would have to start from scratch when it comes to diversity. It's not like they'd be instant paradises.
Like china had their scandal with how they treated their minority in an area.
