Racism in Germany is the norm not the exception – DW – 03/23/2025
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It's a different person
So it is! Still in underwhelming response.
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So it is! Still in underwhelming response.
If you take it as an honest reply, it is deeper than it appears and fits good into your concept of conditioning.
I may just be too generous and naive though.
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If you take it as an honest reply, it is deeper than it appears and fits good into your concept of conditioning.
I may just be too generous and naive though.
It's pretty clear what the deeper meaning is. Indicating that people who can argue that humans aren't intrinsically shitty and appeal to our better nature are performative is still underwhelming bullshit.
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"Muslim" is not a race. Headscarfs are not a race. This isn't racism, it's conformism. Conform to societies standards, and you won't be looked at weirdly.
We are a tribalistic species, and those that don't conform (to our monkey brains) are outsiders. Outsiders don't belong.
I'd fucking die if I'd be surrounded by a homogenous mass of "typical germans". My fellow germans, mind you.
L take.
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It's pretty clear what the deeper meaning is. Indicating that people who can argue that humans aren't intrinsically shitty and appeal to our better nature are performative is still underwhelming bullshit.
Did he really indicate all that? Was it dismissive?
What if it was an honest remark? Doesnt it feel good to know this stuff and being able to write it out?
You're probably right and he was trying to be an asshole, but judging by the votes I dont seem to be the only one that didnt take his reply as snark.
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A lot of words to defend bigotry. The human species can be a lot of awful things if we look to our worst nature. Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically. It makes us highly plastic and adaptable to our circumstances. It also means we don't need to be assholes just because we can be. We can redefine and shape what is means to be an outsider. And, if a human can look at a drawing of a cartoon dog and feel empathy and humanize it, we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically.
Can we? Is this a statement of fact, or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Because I know quite a bit about history and, time and time again this doesn't seem to be true whatsoever. We are tribalistic by nature, and we've never been able to permanently break this fact.
It's not appealing to tribalism, it's understanding of the factual nature of ourselves. You have to know the worst of humanity, because you're never going to rid yourself of it. Many things will knock us down as people to our most basic of instincts, and these basic rules still govern our actions.
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Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically.
Can we? Is this a statement of fact, or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Because I know quite a bit about history and, time and time again this doesn't seem to be true whatsoever. We are tribalistic by nature, and we've never been able to permanently break this fact.
It's not appealing to tribalism, it's understanding of the factual nature of ourselves. You have to know the worst of humanity, because you're never going to rid yourself of it. Many things will knock us down as people to our most basic of instincts, and these basic rules still govern our actions.
Yes. Its observable just by looking at culture and society now versus thousands or even just hundreds or tens of years ago and comparing it to the time it takes for even a subspecies to arise. And, as information exchange speeds up due to technology, culture exchanges even faster and society develops faster.
I didn't say we don't have in groups and out groups (tribalism). I say we have control over what we consider in and out groups. It's not idealism. It's not what the world could be. Its just observable fact. We've literally shifted cultural perception in the last 50 years on all sorts of in and out groups (black and gay people are easy examples.
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Did he really indicate all that? Was it dismissive?
What if it was an honest remark? Doesnt it feel good to know this stuff and being able to write it out?
You're probably right and he was trying to be an asshole, but judging by the votes I dont seem to be the only one that didnt take his reply as snark.
Maybe they were being genuine and not sarcastic. I came out swinging because I was riled up by the first poster to be honest. If they're genuine, then I feel like a bit of a dick. Oops.
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Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?
For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.
I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.
Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
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Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
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A lot of words to defend bigotry. The human species can be a lot of awful things if we look to our worst nature. Our major advantage as a species is that we evolve faster culturally than most species can genetically. It makes us highly plastic and adaptable to our circumstances. It also means we don't need to be assholes just because we can be. We can redefine and shape what is means to be an outsider. And, if a human can look at a drawing of a cartoon dog and feel empathy and humanize it, we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
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Maybe they were being genuine and not sarcastic. I came out swinging because I was riled up by the first poster to be honest. If they're genuine, then I feel like a bit of a dick. Oops.
I think I would've reacted the same way if I wouldn't have been an outsider.
Rarely do I have positive interactions on here, so my initial reaction is defensive as well with everything that makes it into my inbox.
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Yes. Its observable just by looking at culture and society now versus thousands or even just hundreds or tens of years ago and comparing it to the time it takes for even a subspecies to arise. And, as information exchange speeds up due to technology, culture exchanges even faster and society develops faster.
I didn't say we don't have in groups and out groups (tribalism). I say we have control over what we consider in and out groups. It's not idealism. It's not what the world could be. Its just observable fact. We've literally shifted cultural perception in the last 50 years on all sorts of in and out groups (black and gay people are easy examples.
We didn't shift cultural perception at all. We may have enacted laws, but the people aren't any more or less receptive than they have been. That will take generations. Only thing that happened is that people hid it. Take a good long look at US politics and tell me that gay people and black people are any more accepted than they were...as half the population looks to tear down the institutions which allowed their equality to happen...
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Surely you have a lot of data to back this claim up
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Article talking about racism in Germany.
You : But ppl are racist everywhere!!!
Apparently no one can complain about anything because it's bad everywhere. Guess I should just get use to being called the N-word in Germany because Singaporeans don't like Indians
I'm saying that diversity takes time. I've seen Belgium go through different stages.
My wife's indonesian. You know what she'd be if she married an African guy? Disowned.
The Congolese in Belgium seem pretty wealthy, more wealthy than the Arabs in the same cities.
Perhaps linked to the source of immigration (economic immigrants with work visas) or their culture. Am talking bout Aalst specifically.
I don't have a clue about it at all, just trying to connect dots.
You can keep talking bout racism, will be beneficial for my kid in the future.
But don't have tunnel vision either. There's a lot of mono cultures out there in the world where there would be a lot of resistance to immigration. These countries would have to start from scratch when it comes to diversity. It's not like they'd be instant paradises.
Like china had their scandal with how they treated their minority in an area.
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We didn't shift cultural perception at all. We may have enacted laws, but the people aren't any more or less receptive than they have been. That will take generations. Only thing that happened is that people hid it. Take a good long look at US politics and tell me that gay people and black people are any more accepted than they were...as half the population looks to tear down the institutions which allowed their equality to happen...
If you actually think gay people are less accepted now than in the 80s then you're so dedicated to pessimism that it's a lost cause. Is there still room for improvement? Yes. But gay people used to be treated like lepers by general society.
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Surely you have a lot of data to back this claim up
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That’s a 12 year old paywalled map. I don’t see any evidence for their claim and I recommend reading this carefully: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany
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Religions are ideas. Ideas dont have rights. Humans have. You are free to criticise ideas & religions. They dont have rights. Criticising a religion is not bigotry.
we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
Why was your reaction to that to defend "criticising religion"? If this is mixed together for you, then it seems your idea of "criticising religion" indeed contains bigotry and can serve to dehumanize people.
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Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?
For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.
I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.
You are right, it's true everywhere. It's human nature to be wary of people you don't understand. But, for some things, you'd expect countries that are a lot further ahead in progressivism to be "nicer".
Though I suppose that's very difficult to quantitatively measure - how progressive someone is. How more accepting they are than other countries.
But there's also room for letting people air out their issues without being told that "everyone is like this, stop whining". That's literally what the Russian goverment does, they implicitly tell their populace that democracy doesn't work and that this is the best deal they'll ever get.
