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Airbus chairman sees ‘strong indications’ an emboldened Putin is mobilizing forces to attack NATO’s eastern flank

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    And if Russia does so Germany and France might do the same.

    Hence why they haven't picked any fights against NATO either.

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    Germany doesn’t have nuclear weapons.

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      US and Europe lead by Germany. As per Sadam, you're referring to that war where Iraqi soldiers were throwing Kuwaiti newborns out of incubators? What about the recent one where fictional WMDs were the trigger to obliterate them including civilians?

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      And don’t forget Hamas beheading babies! Some racist trope about barbaric middle easterners killing babies always gets our juices flowing.

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        That won’t happen. I’m not a nuclear alarmist but the Russian military will 100% use tactical nukes before they allow a foreign military to capture one of their major cities.

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        I think this is a correct assessment. Beating Russia back from their invasions is one thing, going after one of their major cities however is a red line where I think they will actually deploy nukes.

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          Germany doesn’t have nuclear weapons.

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          Germany has american nukes stationed in germany. France has also declared that their nukes will cover nato, as well as british nukes.

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            Mr. Obermann may have a business interest here, but his remarks regarding Russia's economy are absolutely valid. Putin has turned Russia into a 'war economy' with the whole country depending on war. Even Russian economists -including from the Central Bank- warn that the country will be facing difficult times if peace breaks out (which may also mean it would be difficult for Putin to stay in power as soon as the war ends and there is no enemy anymore).

            So Obermann's comment that "the internal pressure [in Russia] to deliver new victories through military conquest likely will grow", is very real. Putin put his country on a war path for the long term. For example, Russia's defense minister is an economist claiming that war would be a requirement for economic growth (this is, of course, complete rubbish, but this comes from Russia's government).

            I wrote a comment regarding Russia's economy in a different thread and don't want to repeat it, so here is the link if you are interested: https://slrpnk.net/post/19670037/14488418

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            Russia's war economy is partially a response to sanctions, not just some cynical power grab by Putin. If the sanctions end they'll be able to wind down and focus on peaceful development.

            Russians do not have an endless appetite for war. They aren't orcs.

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              Do you disagree?

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              Starting war directly with NATO would start WW3. It would trigger a cascade of responses that lead to nuclear armageddon.

              I doubt Russia wants that.

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              • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                Russia's war economy is partially a response to sanctions, not just some cynical power grab by Putin. If the sanctions end they'll be able to wind down and focus on peaceful development.

                Russians do not have an endless appetite for war. They aren't orcs.

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                Russians do not have an endless appetite for war. They aren’t orcs.

                They should prove it by not starting endless fucking wars then. Maybe honor at least one(1) fucking peace agreement you've made.

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                  That won’t happen. I’m not a nuclear alarmist but the Russian military will 100% use tactical nukes before they allow a foreign military to capture one of their major cities.

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                  I agree but russian nukes have been historically poorly maintained and in a terrible condition. They had Ukranians maintain them who stopped for some reason in 2014.
                  Surely some will work but in the same way they don't have the navy they claimed they have, the army they claimed they have they sure as hell don't have the nukes they claim they have.

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                  • cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                    Germany has american nukes stationed in germany. France has also declared that their nukes will cover nato, as well as british nukes.

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                    USA being a russian puppet, Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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                    • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                      Starting war directly with NATO would start WW3. It would trigger a cascade of responses that lead to nuclear armageddon.

                      I doubt Russia wants that.

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                      No they don't want this, and the West keeps falling for their nuke saber rattling bullshit every time, going back decades. Russia is not going to nuke anyone.

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                      • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                        Starting war directly with NATO would start WW3. It would trigger a cascade of responses that lead to nuclear armageddon.

                        I doubt Russia wants that.

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                        Okay sure, nuclear war. With what weapons? France’s nuclear arsenal is tiny and the US will not defend Europe.

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                        • cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                          Germany has american nukes stationed in germany. France has also declared that their nukes will cover nato, as well as british nukes.

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                          Exactly, as I said. Germany has no nuclear weapons.

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                          • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                            Russia's war economy is partially a response to sanctions, not just some cynical power grab by Putin. If the sanctions end they'll be able to wind down and focus on peaceful development.

                            Russians do not have an endless appetite for war. They aren't orcs.

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                            Russia has been terrorizing their neighboring countries ever since the millennium. Actually, when you go further back in history, you could say that being incredibly cruel to their neighbors (and their own population) is one of the core traits of Russians.

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                              Okay sure, nuclear war. With what weapons? France’s nuclear arsenal is tiny and the US will not defend Europe.

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                              They have almost three hundred warheads! Are you under the impression that you need a large arsenal to act as a deterrent?

                              Russians aren't orcs. They aren't going to risk all of their cities being nuked.

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                                Russia has been terrorizing their neighboring countries ever since the millennium. Actually, when you go further back in history, you could say that being incredibly cruel to their neighbors (and their own population) is one of the core traits of Russians.

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                                The Russian skull shape makes them subhuman orcs that crave war and blood.

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                                  Exactly, as I said. Germany has no nuclear weapons.

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                                  France's arsenal is enough to wipe out most of Russia's population, since most of Russia is villages and nature, with most of it concentrated in the western side

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                                  • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                                    The Russian skull shape makes them subhuman orcs that crave war and blood.

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                                    Next time just don’t reply at all if you have nothing of value to add.

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                                      Next time just don’t reply at all if you have nothing of value to add.

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                                      Do you find it of value to spout plain bigotry? Given the history of US military action should I say it is one of the core traits of Americans to be blood-thirsty ghouls?

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                                        US and Europe lead by Germany. As per Sadam, you're referring to that war where Iraqi soldiers were throwing Kuwaiti newborns out of incubators? What about the recent one where fictional WMDs were the trigger to obliterate them including civilians?

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                                        Are you suggesting the Sadam did not invade Kuwait?

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                                          Do you find it of value to spout plain bigotry? Given the history of US military action should I say it is one of the core traits of Americans to be blood-thirsty ghouls?

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                                          I’m spouting historical facts. You’re spouting whataboutism. Why is it that you people can’t stomach criticism of your holy Russian empire without deflecting to the USA?

                                          But yes, I would in fact lay a similar criticism on the US and its forever wars. However, up to the current Trump administration, the way they treat their neighbors wasn’t comparable. But it seems quite obvious where Donny gets his ideas and so now Canada and Greenland are being threatened with annexation.

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