What else was the alternative?
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Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.
And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.
and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.
Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.
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Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.
And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.
Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!
"We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"
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This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.
The failing was decades and centuries ago that led to this. Power has been consolidating in the presidency since the constitution was signed as the legislature and courts are happy to give more and more of their power over to the executive.
We've only been protected by being lucky having presidents and their staff with genuine care for the intent of the constitution.
This was only a matter of time. It wasn't our fault. This is America.
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Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!
"We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"
I wasnt out to teach a lesson, I was out to let this place implode. I dont export our countries war crimes to other places because thats momentarily more convenient for me-- like you'd prefer.
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and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.
Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.
Thats fine. Youve got blood on your hands.
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What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.
On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.
I guess the death of the US and ..blah blah blah
That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.
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So sounds like people like you are partially to blame for all this crazy shit.
And Trump will be worse directly with Palestine, just give him time. He’s seemingly already given Israel the go-ahead to kill whoever they want. What was it that Israeli official said in the video a week ago - the worst is yet to come?
Trump will add a cherry on top for you and build a golf course or strip mall in Gaza over the wreckage and remains of dead Palestinians.
Biden/Harris killed almost 50 thousand people on their watch. It'll be much more when the bones of dead civilians pinned under rubble are actually counted.
If you were honest you'd say you considered both of the candidate to be equal on the gaza war crimes and you voted to keep the rest of your life going undisturbed
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I guess the death of the US and ..blah blah blah
That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.
No, you aren't a voter. You told us you didn't vote (for president anyway). That's the point.
Your moral grandstanding helped make the very issue you are championing completely unrecoverable, and a bunch of us are now under the bus as a result. Palestinians are almost certain to be wiped out now, no matter how badly many of us wanted to end the genocide and hold Israel accountable. You have cut off your nose to spite your face.
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So all based on your last sentence, you're partially responsible for the shit storm we're in now?
I dont vote for any mass murderer. You did. I chose not to participate and let the system do its stuff without me.
If everyone votes like you do we're always going to have a dem who's slightly better than the fascist from here on out. You voted to keep that going.
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What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.
On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.
On a very personal level, I’m trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future.
Harris read the polls on the number of people like yourself who would make a deal on her platform. People like yourself who care mostly about your trans rights, even if we're talking about murder of innocents. With that data she thought she could roll the dice on winning. If fewer people had not projected that they'd allow her platform to win, she would have changed it. And we wouldnt be in this spot. Let me ask, did you vote uncommitted in the dem primary? It wouldnt have cost much of anything in terms of results of that race.
You didnt did you.
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On a very personal level, I’m trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future.
Harris read the polls on the number of people like yourself who would make a deal on her platform. People like yourself who care mostly about your trans rights, even if we're talking about murder of innocents. With that data she thought she could roll the dice on winning. If fewer people had not projected that they'd allow her platform to win, she would have changed it. And we wouldnt be in this spot. Let me ask, did you vote uncommitted in the dem primary? It wouldnt have cost much of anything in terms of results of that race.
You didnt did you.
EDIT: Can't stand to keep your bullshit unedited? Not going to go on about how I only choose my safety and trans rights now and I have blood on my hands? Gonna pivot to the dem primaries, which in my state only had Biden on the ballot?
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No, you aren't a voter. You told us you didn't vote (for president anyway). That's the point.
Your moral grandstanding helped make the very issue you are championing completely unrecoverable, and a bunch of us are now under the bus as a result. Palestinians are almost certain to be wiped out now, no matter how badly many of us wanted to end the genocide and hold Israel accountable. You have cut off your nose to spite your face.
I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?
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I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?
I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?
I see, so it's the anti-fascist/"basic human rights apply in our country too" side who are at fault for the genocide of Palestinians?
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I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more.
Completely understandable on an emotional level, but if you're not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.
if you’re not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.
OK, it seems to me to be very remotely possible but unlikely.
I'd argue that you're coming from a consequentialism "the ends justifies the means" standpoint wheras I'm coming from deontological ethics.
I think you're arguing that "you can do whatever you want to as long as it leads to some identified desired outcome".If republicans are pushing for fascism, as we all seem to perceive here, my approach is the exact opposite of that. You dont need to take my opinion on it, you can use classic models which are a whole lot better than nothing. If you read up (its 60 seconds, I promise) on consequentialism you will see the Harris campaign outlined pretty spot on, and if you read up on deontology you will see the ani genocide crowd, again spot on. Then take a step back and think which is a better way to fight the vasy and sprawling abuses of fascism.
I dont think winging it ends-justifies-the-means style is going to cut it with these stakes. I'm not saying I'm sure I'm right, but I'm positive that I'm doing my best just like I 'd guess a lot of you think you are. When we think of what a bright future is, its a system of laws that irons out basic unfairness and brutality. We all want this. We disagree on how to get there.
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Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!
"We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"
Seems to me that you're the type of person who, when faced by a thug asking if you'd like their daughter punched in the face or stomach, would pick a spot, and hold the person who forced the choice blameless. In fact you'd elect them to rule over you.
"Saving Palestine". was not going to happen under either candidate, and the genocide so far has been under dem leadership. Any of that untrue?
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Seems to me that you're the type of person who, when faced by a thug asking if you'd like their daughter punched in the face or stomach, would pick a spot, and hold the person who forced the choice blameless. In fact you'd elect them to rule over you.
"Saving Palestine". was not going to happen under either candidate, and the genocide so far has been under dem leadership. Any of that untrue?
Not making a choice is also a choice.
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This is getting old. The failing has escalated over the last decades, when politicians of all parties abandoned the working class / middle class and catered towards the ultra rich instead. They gradually shifted to the right and now the republicans are right wing extremists and the democrats are a right wing party too. Biden and Harris allowed the Gaza genocide to unfold and continued many of Trump‘s policies on migration even though they could have reverted them easily. They chose to serve their donors instead of the people and people just got tired of it. The democrats have themselves to blame, not the people pointing their failures out.
The fact that this is still contentious for Americans goes to show how far gone they are. Liberal democrats just can't seem to fathom the basic reality of what you're saying, they're so focused on aesthetics and "we need a mixed race woman president" over "we need to fix wealth inequality." It's about as brain dead as MAGA but with virtue signalling, "Yeah I support Israel, no it's not a genocide, rich people earned that money fair and square, and have no influence on our democracy" meanwhile they put on a rainbow flag badge on Pride month and say "I'm a progressive, and I support protesters (so long as they're not disruptive.)"
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Seems to me that you're the type of person who, when faced by a thug asking if you'd like their daughter punched in the face or stomach, would pick a spot, and hold the person who forced the choice blameless. In fact you'd elect them to rule over you.
"Saving Palestine". was not going to happen under either candidate, and the genocide so far has been under dem leadership. Any of that untrue?
Your option in your own scenario is walking away from your daughter knowing she will get punched in the face.
You knew that by not voting blue, way more people would suffer. You knew that and you willingly let it happen. Enough of "yous" got us where we are now.
Just because your issue didn't get adressed by any of the candidates, you willingly walked away, knowing that not voting would inflict more suffering, than voting blue. I want to let you know, that I think you are a garbage person.
By the way, I am not from the US.
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Thats fine. Youve got blood on your hands.
You literally have the fact that there's a fascist in chief in office; a sycophant pillaging the federal reserve and keeping our tax dollars for himself; an entire cult of personality that's now in charge of our judicial, executive, and legislative branches, giving the fascists complete control our government withdraw literally no oversight; rights are being taken away from everyone; actual natural-born US citizens are being "deported" (read: kidnapped and trafficked) to foreign countries like Venezuela and El Salvador; alllllll on your hands, and millions of others just like you.
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I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?
I see, so it's the anti-fascist/"basic human rights apply in our country too" side who are at fault for the genocide of Palestinians?
So your "fighting fascists" fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?
Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.
Harris's platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I'm not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.
If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.
