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  • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

    Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies. Election reform? Arivecan? The “other” Randy? Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.

    People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trump effective self marketing tactics need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.

    https://www.nbc.ca/content/dam/bnc/taux-analyses/analyse-eco/mkt-view/market_view_240429.pdf

    Canada has been left behind, and it’s our own fault.

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    Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies

    No

    Election reform?

    Yes that part sucked.

    Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.

    ....what? Unhinged spending? How? "Hard left"? No... what rights were attacked?

    You’re worried about fascism, but support a government that was forcing you to get a vaccination. (Not that its vaccines are bad in any way shape or form). Which is entirely against your rights.

    Who was forced? Literally NO one was forced.

    People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trumps effective self marketing tactics, need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.

    They aren't and it doesn't

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      Pipeline across the country is great and very necessary. It absolutely has been stagnation and scandals and lies

      No

      Election reform?

      Yes that part sucked.

      Unhinged spending? Going hard left and attacking peoples rights, attacking unions, ect.

      ....what? Unhinged spending? How? "Hard left"? No... what rights were attacked?

      You’re worried about fascism, but support a government that was forcing you to get a vaccination. (Not that its vaccines are bad in any way shape or form). Which is entirely against your rights.

      Who was forced? Literally NO one was forced.

      People thinking Pierre is somehow like trump because he uses trumps effective self marketing tactics, need to accept that - as petty as it seems - it works.

      They aren't and it doesn't

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      Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.

      You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.

      Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.

      Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?

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      • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

        Just like I have nothing against Chinese or Russian citizens, I hope others will be able to separate us from our fascist government.

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        Unfortunately the tools of statecraft aren't all that granular. To make the Trump regime suffer, many Americans will suffer even if they don't support Trump.

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        • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

          ok so thats cool and all but how do we join? washington oregon california want in

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          Step one is to secede from the US. You aren't actually going to be part of Canada, but an EU style arrangement in North America could happen.

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          • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

            Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.

            You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.

            Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.

            Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?

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            You need better news sources. No one was being forced.

            I've addressed the gun thing before. If you're law abiding abide by the laws.

            Safe injection sites aren't dangerous and they work. Drug addition is a mental health issue, making it safer helps to get them to stop.

            The pandemic cost a lot of money

            You mean how he was lowering debt to gdp until the pandemic hit?

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            • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

              Yes. Pipelines are coming. Mining is coming. 17 years for a permit is ending.

              You were forced indirectly and you know it. Don’t want to get a vaccine? Good luck at the border, good luck going to the movies, good luck going to school.

              Dude, the liberals spent more money in the last 10 years than every other PM combined. You explain how that’s not unhinged.

              Canada and Europe can be closer with trading. Sure, why not. Seems great, it does nothing to create growth in our country if we don’t have things to sell. How much money, jobs, stability would be created just with ontarios ring of fire alone?

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              #73

              I read this entire thread and you sound almost like a MAGA from down here. Are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the way to r/conservative?

              My bingo card:

              • ✅️ The guvment is too far left and censoring us
              • ✅️ My guns are being taken away by the libs
              • ✅️ Drill baby, drill
              • ✅️ Forced vaccinations are real and against my rights
              • ❌️ A red MAGA hat
              • ✅️ The other guy will fix "the economy"
              • ✅️ Bring manufacturing back here
              • ❌️ Illegal immigrants are the problem
              • ✅️ "I like him because he tells it as it is"
              • ❌️ The incumbent rigged the election

              Being against providing a safe space for drug addicts is a new one, though. If they're going to shoot up regardless, isn't it better that their biohazardous needles are disposed of safely and not in a park?

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                You need better news sources. No one was being forced.

                I've addressed the gun thing before. If you're law abiding abide by the laws.

                Safe injection sites aren't dangerous and they work. Drug addition is a mental health issue, making it safer helps to get them to stop.

                The pandemic cost a lot of money

                You mean how he was lowering debt to gdp until the pandemic hit?

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                That’s a very cherry-picked chart. And no, that’s all absolutely incorrect.

                What an idiotic comment. The laws the law oh well! It’s unacceptable, and does not solve ANY problem related to gun issues in this country.

                Maybe compare BC to Alberta for how drugs are handled. Alberta is an example for the drug pandemic in general, which is surprising.

                How long will we blame the pandemic for financial woes? It does not change the underlying problems.

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                • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                  That’s a very cherry-picked chart. And no, that’s all absolutely incorrect.

                  What an idiotic comment. The laws the law oh well! It’s unacceptable, and does not solve ANY problem related to gun issues in this country.

                  Maybe compare BC to Alberta for how drugs are handled. Alberta is an example for the drug pandemic in general, which is surprising.

                  How long will we blame the pandemic for financial woes? It does not change the underlying problems.

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                  It's not? It's debt to gdp. And no it's not absolutely incorrect. The idiotic comment is bitching and moaning about being a law abiding citizens, and then in the same breath get all pissy about "muh gun rights". Guns aren't a right in canada. The OIC was poorly done imo, but if you're a law abiding gun owner, abide by it?

                  Alberta's sweep it under the rug isn't a solution. 5 years ago the pandemic started, and it "ended" what 2 years ago? Jfc people born then are still in kinder garden. How long do you think a global pandemic, where capitalist took advantage of everyone, driving the prices higher, will take to recover from?

                  The underlying problem is right wing government being in bed with the capitalist more so than the left, who at the very least attempt to build social safety nets, and protect the environment from the businesses that attempt to destroy it, right now we have the liberals, who aren't really left anyhow, who are doing better than the cons could, but need to be doing more.

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                    Decades of history burned by one asshole.

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                    It's not one, at least half of our federal government is behind this and is signing off/agreeing with this.

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                    • T [email protected]

                      It's not? It's debt to gdp. And no it's not absolutely incorrect. The idiotic comment is bitching and moaning about being a law abiding citizens, and then in the same breath get all pissy about "muh gun rights". Guns aren't a right in canada. The OIC was poorly done imo, but if you're a law abiding gun owner, abide by it?

                      Alberta's sweep it under the rug isn't a solution. 5 years ago the pandemic started, and it "ended" what 2 years ago? Jfc people born then are still in kinder garden. How long do you think a global pandemic, where capitalist took advantage of everyone, driving the prices higher, will take to recover from?

                      The underlying problem is right wing government being in bed with the capitalist more so than the left, who at the very least attempt to build social safety nets, and protect the environment from the businesses that attempt to destroy it, right now we have the liberals, who aren't really left anyhow, who are doing better than the cons could, but need to be doing more.

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                      Maybe they need to stop attacking said gun owners with prohibitive lists when THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM. Legal hand guns? Not a problem. Were they banned from sale? Yeah. Why? Because it’s easy to sell on TV to mom and jimmy that hey, we’re saving you from gun violence. Gun owners have been targeted, unfairly over and over again as a cheep stunt to get votes. It’s old, it’s bullshit and it’s not acceptable. There are real gangs with illegal guns coming in that need to be stopped. It’s disrespectful to all those who are killed by them every time these guys go on a rant about gun safety and ban another rifle. People “bitch” and “complain” because something of theirs is being taken away under false pretenses.

                      Alberta does NOT sweep it “under the rug”. There is a monitored recovery plan with social interventions. It’s a phenomenal program, and it works very well.

                      The amount the liberal government spent BEFORE the pandemic was unreal, and during, and after. Now what exactly does Canada have to show for this spent money?

                      Mark Carney is one person. A rich one person whom is deep in bed with WEF and Blackrock. Two massive red flags. The really problem is most of his cabinet is made up of the same nut jobs that have cost this country countless investments. Steven Guilbeault in particular, and somehow - like magic - the last ten years of virtue signaling and economic sabotage just goes away.

                      We’re different this time, we promise.

                      No, they’re not. Just this time he’s richer, has more rich friends, and doesn't have Trudeau in his name.

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                      • P [email protected]

                        I read this entire thread and you sound almost like a MAGA from down here. Are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the way to r/conservative?

                        My bingo card:

                        • ✅️ The guvment is too far left and censoring us
                        • ✅️ My guns are being taken away by the libs
                        • ✅️ Drill baby, drill
                        • ✅️ Forced vaccinations are real and against my rights
                        • ❌️ A red MAGA hat
                        • ✅️ The other guy will fix "the economy"
                        • ✅️ Bring manufacturing back here
                        • ❌️ Illegal immigrants are the problem
                        • ✅️ "I like him because he tells it as it is"
                        • ❌️ The incumbent rigged the election

                        Being against providing a safe space for drug addicts is a new one, though. If they're going to shoot up regardless, isn't it better that their biohazardous needles are disposed of safely and not in a park?

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                        Yeah, no.

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                        • P [email protected]

                          I read this entire thread and you sound almost like a MAGA from down here. Are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the way to r/conservative?

                          My bingo card:

                          • ✅️ The guvment is too far left and censoring us
                          • ✅️ My guns are being taken away by the libs
                          • ✅️ Drill baby, drill
                          • ✅️ Forced vaccinations are real and against my rights
                          • ❌️ A red MAGA hat
                          • ✅️ The other guy will fix "the economy"
                          • ✅️ Bring manufacturing back here
                          • ❌️ Illegal immigrants are the problem
                          • ✅️ "I like him because he tells it as it is"
                          • ❌️ The incumbent rigged the election

                          Being against providing a safe space for drug addicts is a new one, though. If they're going to shoot up regardless, isn't it better that their biohazardous needles are disposed of safely and not in a park?

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                          I think you’ll see what you want to see. Manufacturing is really never “coming back”. No one tells it as it is - both parties lie. Guns are literally being taken away. Forced vaccinations were a thing here - you had to be vaccinated to go to restaurants or the movie theater, etc. Sure you didn’t “have” to get it, but enjoy sitting at home doing nothing. The “other guy” will not fix the economy. Governments really can’t do that. BUT they can create growth, attract investment and talent through policy.

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                          • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                            I think you’ll see what you want to see. Manufacturing is really never “coming back”. No one tells it as it is - both parties lie. Guns are literally being taken away. Forced vaccinations were a thing here - you had to be vaccinated to go to restaurants or the movie theater, etc. Sure you didn’t “have” to get it, but enjoy sitting at home doing nothing. The “other guy” will not fix the economy. Governments really can’t do that. BUT they can create growth, attract investment and talent through policy.

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                            From my understanding, you have three viable parties. I understand saying "fuck the neoliberals," but then why not pick the third party that isn't endorsed by the insane fascist down here?

                            I forget which chucklefuck said it, but our administration said your conservative party leader's values align with Trump's, and Trump is threatening your entire country's sovereignty on a near daily basis. If the expansionist "deal maker" who likes to demand mineral rights in exchange for empty promises likes him, I would expect that to be a very good indicator of someone willing to bend the knee and kiss the ring.

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                              From my understanding, you have three viable parties. I understand saying "fuck the neoliberals," but then why not pick the third party that isn't endorsed by the insane fascist down here?

                              I forget which chucklefuck said it, but our administration said your conservative party leader's values align with Trump's, and Trump is threatening your entire country's sovereignty on a near daily basis. If the expansionist "deal maker" who likes to demand mineral rights in exchange for empty promises likes him, I would expect that to be a very good indicator of someone willing to bend the knee and kiss the ring.

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                              I mean, the election isn’t solely about who trump will bully easier - as much as American may think. There are actual policies people are concerned with and trumps just one of many on a long list.

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                              • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                I mean, the election isn’t solely about who trump will bully easier - as much as American may think. There are actual policies people are concerned with and trumps just one of many on a long list.

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                                I get that, but I also really don't think it's a good idea to underestimate the importance of having a leader who strongly pushes back against Trump.

                                America is going downhill fast, and the current administration is highly imperial, expansionist, and corrupt. The "51st state" shit isn't a joke. The government here said "if" they were to take Canada, it would be by economic force instead of military force, and then proceeded to leverage tariffs to create economic pressure on the rest of the continent. They undermine and belittle the Canadian government at almost every opportunity while riling up the conservatives down here by claiming yall are taking advantage of us and being welfare queens who are completely reliant on our handouts and protection.

                                Trust me, whatever shit you have going on there right now, it's still a lot better than what's happening down here. And as bad as we have it, you would get it even worse as a vassal state. By all means, vote for whoever you want, but at least wait until after the US has played its hand and made its intentions undeniably clear.

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                                • O [email protected]

                                  They have a museum of African American history, and are preparing a museum of American women. Of course he wants to gut it.

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                                  There is also Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian

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                                  • twintitans@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                    Maybe they need to stop attacking said gun owners with prohibitive lists when THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM. Legal hand guns? Not a problem. Were they banned from sale? Yeah. Why? Because it’s easy to sell on TV to mom and jimmy that hey, we’re saving you from gun violence. Gun owners have been targeted, unfairly over and over again as a cheep stunt to get votes. It’s old, it’s bullshit and it’s not acceptable. There are real gangs with illegal guns coming in that need to be stopped. It’s disrespectful to all those who are killed by them every time these guys go on a rant about gun safety and ban another rifle. People “bitch” and “complain” because something of theirs is being taken away under false pretenses.

                                    Alberta does NOT sweep it “under the rug”. There is a monitored recovery plan with social interventions. It’s a phenomenal program, and it works very well.

                                    The amount the liberal government spent BEFORE the pandemic was unreal, and during, and after. Now what exactly does Canada have to show for this spent money?

                                    Mark Carney is one person. A rich one person whom is deep in bed with WEF and Blackrock. Two massive red flags. The really problem is most of his cabinet is made up of the same nut jobs that have cost this country countless investments. Steven Guilbeault in particular, and somehow - like magic - the last ten years of virtue signaling and economic sabotage just goes away.

                                    We’re different this time, we promise.

                                    No, they’re not. Just this time he’s richer, has more rich friends, and doesn't have Trudeau in his name.

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                                    You, and i are not being attacked. Guns aren't a right in canada, they are a privilege. Yes gun violence is an issue. But the way to reduce gun violence is to build a strong social safety net, you want to tackle the root cause? Get rid of the reason people join gangs. Look how effective the war on drugs is, people still use it. Border enforcement will catch some sure, but gang violence will keep happening. The conservatives don't like strong social safety nets so they sell you security theater, just like after 911, it's theater. Talking about money spent? Rebuilding neglected infrastructure takes a lot of money. Kids under 17 get dental and vision care. Cheaper day care those are examples of things that we have to show for it.

                                    Pp's circle is the same as carney's but at least there will be positive social policies, and instead of getting in bed with trump, we will divest.

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                                    • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                                      ok so thats cool and all but how do we join? washington oregon california want in

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                                      Elect progressives, enact progressive policies and then apply i guess! I'd be happy to have states aligned with our values join canada

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                                        I hope you're right about who suffers the most, we deserve it, and I hope the rest of the world prospers while we languish in our just desserts.

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                                        No desserts. Just languish.

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