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  • ? Guest

    People get banned for saying men aren't women. You don't have a point when mods abuse their power.

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    Let me give you an analogy.

    I was born in the People's Republic of China. I immigrated to the United States of America when I was not even 10. I grew up in America, I grew attached to the principles of Freedom and Democracy. I went through the proper channels and I obtained Citizenship through the proper way. I am an American.

    If someone were to tell me that I'm "not American", and that because I was "born Chinese, I must be Chinese for the rest of my life"; or, in your phrasing: "A Chinese person cannot become American" you'd be a xenophobe.

    Gender is a social contruct. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman wants to be a man, just let them. Its not denying that they have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what their biology says. But being a "Man" or "Woman" are labels society attributes to those chromosomes, just like the concept of Nationality.

    TLDR: Please just let people be whoever they want to be. If you start attacking people's identity, nobody is gonna wanna talk to you. If you want to spread transphobia, you can go to twitter. Enjoy your nazi bar.

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      Economic violence = sanctions on Russia

      "physical violence Russia has exerted on the Ukrainian populace" = war in Ukraine

      Both are happening right now at the same time.

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      The U.S. is doing one of those things, to Russia. The other Russia is doing to itself.

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        As a US citizen. YES. FFS, the point of sanctions is to compel a change or deter an action. Americans might pay way more attention when the rest of the world puts us in timeout because of the terrible leadership.

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        Research has shown it has historically had very little to no impact on policy. What it does do is harm the lowest rungs of society.

        For example a 2019 report on Trump's Venezeuala sanctions estimate up to 40,000 people died. Mostly poor people who went without healthcare and medicine because the US froze all of the government's funds and access to credit.

        In my opinion, I'd prefer if we just bombed civilians in the countries we sanction. It's more honest. It really is a form of low level warfare. Something akin to a medieval raiding party

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          The U.S. is doing one of those things, to Russia. The other Russia is doing to itself.

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          Whew lad. Interacting with people like you really puts into perspective how inept the average internet user is.

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          • I [email protected]

            Let me give you an analogy.

            I was born in the People's Republic of China. I immigrated to the United States of America when I was not even 10. I grew up in America, I grew attached to the principles of Freedom and Democracy. I went through the proper channels and I obtained Citizenship through the proper way. I am an American.

            If someone were to tell me that I'm "not American", and that because I was "born Chinese, I must be Chinese for the rest of my life"; or, in your phrasing: "A Chinese person cannot become American" you'd be a xenophobe.

            Gender is a social contruct. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman wants to be a man, just let them. Its not denying that they have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what their biology says. But being a "Man" or "Woman" are labels society attributes to those chromosomes, just like the concept of Nationality.

            TLDR: Please just let people be whoever they want to be. If you start attacking people's identity, nobody is gonna wanna talk to you. If you want to spread transphobia, you can go to twitter. Enjoy your nazi bar.

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            Analogies are fallacies. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, we now have to discuss how accurate or inaccurate your analogy is. It's not a 1:1 representation of the subject.

            If you're seriously trying to say men can be women because of immigration, that really just shows how far gone you are and why you shouldn't be taken seriously by rational people.

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            • ? Guest

              Whew lad. Interacting with people like you really puts into perspective how inept the average internet user is.

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              I think you’re a bit lost friend lol. Did you have some kind of point you wanted to make or?

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                Research has shown it has historically had very little to no impact on policy. What it does do is harm the lowest rungs of society.

                For example a 2019 report on Trump's Venezeuala sanctions estimate up to 40,000 people died. Mostly poor people who went without healthcare and medicine because the US froze all of the government's funds and access to credit.

                In my opinion, I'd prefer if we just bombed civilians in the countries we sanction. It's more honest. It really is a form of low level warfare. Something akin to a medieval raiding party

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                It is the lowest rung that supports the russia invasion in ukraine.

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                  Analogies are fallacies. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, we now have to discuss how accurate or inaccurate your analogy is. It's not a 1:1 representation of the subject.

                  If you're seriously trying to say men can be women because of immigration, that really just shows how far gone you are and why you shouldn't be taken seriously by rational people.

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                  Men who want to be called women are perpetuating the idea that women should be a certain way.

                  If you actually knew any trans people you might realize that they are often the most gender-nonconforming people. But instead you've imagined this image of the misogynistic stereotype-driven trans woman rather tban bothered to observe material reality.

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                    By your logic developers in the US shouldn't be allowed to contribute to free software either, after all the US is committing genocides and threatening to invade other countries

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                    yes, we are free to block US developers.

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                      So why were they blocked.

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                      they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.

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                        So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit

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                        yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.

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                          I think you’re a bit lost friend lol. Did you have some kind of point you wanted to make or?

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                          I rest my case.

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                            No, it's not right.

                            People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.

                            A part of oppression is removing people's ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It's like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.

                            These people need our help. We shouldn't victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.

                            Same goes for North Korea.

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                            interviews of the locals have shown that the lowest rung of society in russia supports the war.

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                              It is the lowest rung that supports the russia invasion in ukraine.

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                              Attacks against civilian targets are war crimes. When you do it through sanctions its OK.

                              I'm just asking that we are more honest about it. For example instead of putting sanctions on Venezuela we could have just done what Israel is doing to Gaza and gotten similar death toll.

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                                Men who want to be called women are perpetuating the idea that women should be a certain way.

                                If you actually knew any trans people you might realize that they are often the most gender-nonconforming people. But instead you've imagined this image of the misogynistic stereotype-driven trans woman rather tban bothered to observe material reality.

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                                Sigh. It really never ends with you people.

                                The replies go on and on, and on and on. It's non-stop. It's incessant.

                                You brow-beat people until they leave because they have better things to do.

                                I had a retort, but I didn't bother sending it. There's just no point at this point. All I can do is block and move on.

                                Thanks for reinforcing my views.

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                                  I rest my case.

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                                  I guess not then lol. I’m sure you’ll get em next time.

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.

                                    I... don't follow. How does this make the Microsoft, Github, and USA look good? The policy here is absolutely stupid.

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                                    Me too. I presume half of the votes on this comment are upvotes because they only read the first half of it.

                                    Can you please explain how you come to such a conclusion of your second half, OP? Like you saw, we really don't follow.

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                                      This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can't use Github, not because "microsoft bad" (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated too.

                                      Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.

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                                      Moving off of GitHub is still good, even if you believe their reasoning behind their reasons is incorrect.

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                                      • ? Guest

                                        Russian bots down voting you.

                                        This is how sanctions work. Don't like it? Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.

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                                        Not a Russian bot. Diem voted it because GitHub is still a poor choice to host open source on nowadays. It's like someone saying "It's stupid that such and such switched to renewable energy instead of fossil fuels because they believe the world is flat. The world is not flat!" It's really missing the forest for the trees.

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          I have nothing against Russian developers. But I do think they should be completely isolated and blocked from the outside world. That's the whole point of sanctions.

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                                          That makes sense when it harms business being done in that country, people’s opportunity to find jobs and stuff like that.

                                          But blocking people from working for free on open source projects where there’s nothing to be gained is harming progress, not individuals or countries. That’s not what sanctions were made for.

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