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    And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys. >.>

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    Please don't act like it's just republicans.

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      Please don't act like it's just republicans.

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      This started under Biden, and centrist democrats gleefully shouted down progressives sounding the alarm like the good little fascism apologists centrists are. It is now much worse under the Trump regime, but you are 1000% right.

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        Please don't act like it's just republicans.

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        Please don’t act like it’s just USAmericans.

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          Please don't act like it's just republicans.

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          crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.

          the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists

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            crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.

            the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists

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            you are conflating anti-semitism with anti-israel and anti-zionism, many Jews are against the Likud genocide, many Isreali's are not

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              you are conflating anti-semitism with anti-israel and anti-zionism, many Jews are against the Likud genocide, many Isreali's are not

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              no i am not conflating these things. i myself am jewish and am anti-zionist. when i say the only way to get the republicans to move off their spot is to embrace anti-semitism, i say that because the right wing of america hates jews. they want to deport us to israel. they support the genocide because it gives them a place to ship us eventually. so it could be possible to get their base to hate republicans for giving weapons to jews. but that would be lending legitimacy to just shifting where the genocide is. it's a dangerous game to play and we shouldn't play it. a far better strategy is to, as i said, cordon republicans away from power, desperately try to shift the democrats left, and create parallel structures of power. the aim of these actions is to create an environment where our voices for liberation, be those voices Palestinian, Black, Ukrainian, Jewish, Asian, or Queer, can be heard and listened to.

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                And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys. >.>

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                And the Democrat leader Schumer says his job is to keep the left pro-Israel, there is no redeemable politician in power here. If we had real justice they would all be hanged for supporting genocide.

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                  Please don't act like it's just republicans.

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                  When I worked in a restaurant - and this was near 20 years ago, at the tail end they had us sign some condition of employment and that added a clause that we weren’t to boycott Israel as employees. A restaurant in America.

                  So, how many of you work for companies that have this exact thing? I quit working for others over twelve years so because of shit like this. If you work for a major corp 99% of you likely signed an anti Israel boycott in your hiring forms and you don’t even know it.

                  Let that simmer a bit then figure out what you need to do because these companies can’t run without employees. They need employees more than customers.

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                    crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.

                    the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists

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                    Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?

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                      And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys. >.>

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                      The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a "both sides" problem.

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                        And the Democrat leader Schumer says his job is to keep the left pro-Israel, there is no redeemable politician in power here. If we had real justice they would all be hanged for supporting genocide.

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                        That's because Schumer is a Nazi collaborator.

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                          Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?

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                          i know they're not. the parallel structures of power is the most important part

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                            Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?

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                            They explicitly said to build dual power. Or do you believe you can vote your way out of this?

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                              The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a "both sides" problem.

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                              People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.

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                                People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.

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                                i concur with your assessment. aside from a miniscule number of spiteful perpetually online leftists, there is no evidence whatsoever that gaza made an impact on large numbers of voters. whether one party represented change/disruption or status quo is almost certainly how typical Americans framed their decision.

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                                  People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.

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                                  I haven't heard anything about Gaza not online. I work blue collar and am surrounded by low information/conservative people. I can't think of any time any of them mentioned Palestine or Gaza.

                                  Venezuela has come up far more often.
                                  Lots of racism and at my job I'm the minority being white. I've heard absolute crazy shit from my coworkers mouths and sometimes have walked them through their thought process and that usually ends up with them saying "when you put it like that it sounds mean".

                                  I don't think many of them actually vote though. I know personally its hard for me to make it in time to vote if I don't request off or something.

                                  All that to say I agree. I know my little work place isn't representative of everyone but it's a common thread of almost everyone we hire.

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                                    crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.

                                    the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists

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                                    crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.

                                    Because being against genocide is a single issue voter thing, somehow? I guess being against ethnic cleansing means you're actually Unamerican.

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                                      no i am not conflating these things. i myself am jewish and am anti-zionist. when i say the only way to get the republicans to move off their spot is to embrace anti-semitism, i say that because the right wing of america hates jews. they want to deport us to israel. they support the genocide because it gives them a place to ship us eventually. so it could be possible to get their base to hate republicans for giving weapons to jews. but that would be lending legitimacy to just shifting where the genocide is. it's a dangerous game to play and we shouldn't play it. a far better strategy is to, as i said, cordon republicans away from power, desperately try to shift the democrats left, and create parallel structures of power. the aim of these actions is to create an environment where our voices for liberation, be those voices Palestinian, Black, Ukrainian, Jewish, Asian, or Queer, can be heard and listened to.

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                                      Kind of unrelated but where do you get your point about republicans wanting to deport Jews to Israel? I’ve never thought about it that way. I thought (in very basic terms) both democrats and republicans supported Israel because it’s a strategic location in the middle east and it’s profitable.

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                                        Kind of unrelated but where do you get your point about republicans wanting to deport Jews to Israel? I’ve never thought about it that way. I thought (in very basic terms) both democrats and republicans supported Israel because it’s a strategic location in the middle east and it’s profitable.

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                                        it's the christofascist goal to return the jews to israel so that all the aspects of revelations can come to pass

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                                          it's the christofascist goal to return the jews to israel so that all the aspects of revelations can come to pass

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                                          Honestly I’m ill-informed on christofascism, where should I read up on it?

                                          I didn’t think the republicans that have control over our relations to Israel would be ardent on fulfilling biblical narratives. I thought they use Christianity as an excuse and a tool to garner support among uneducated protestants. A republican like Trump or Vance doesn’t understand or follow Christianity, they just want personal gain

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