And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys.
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The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a "both sides" problem.
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And the Democrat leader Schumer says his job is to keep the left pro-Israel, there is no redeemable politician in power here. If we had real justice they would all be hanged for supporting genocide.
That's because Schumer is a Nazi collaborator.
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Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?
i know they're not. the parallel structures of power is the most important part
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Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?
They explicitly said to build dual power. Or do you believe you can vote your way out of this?
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The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a "both sides" problem.
People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
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People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
i concur with your assessment. aside from a miniscule number of spiteful perpetually online leftists, there is no evidence whatsoever that gaza made an impact on large numbers of voters. whether one party represented change/disruption or status quo is almost certainly how typical Americans framed their decision.
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People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
I haven't heard anything about Gaza not online. I work blue collar and am surrounded by low information/conservative people. I can't think of any time any of them mentioned Palestine or Gaza.
Venezuela has come up far more often.
Lots of racism and at my job I'm the minority being white. I've heard absolute crazy shit from my coworkers mouths and sometimes have walked them through their thought process and that usually ends up with them saying "when you put it like that it sounds mean".I don't think many of them actually vote though. I know personally its hard for me to make it in time to vote if I don't request off or something.
All that to say I agree. I know my little work place isn't representative of everyone but it's a common thread of almost everyone we hire.
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crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.
the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists
crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.
Because being against genocide is a single issue voter thing, somehow? I guess being against ethnic cleansing means you're actually Unamerican.
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no i am not conflating these things. i myself am jewish and am anti-zionist. when i say the only way to get the republicans to move off their spot is to embrace anti-semitism, i say that because the right wing of america hates jews. they want to deport us to israel. they support the genocide because it gives them a place to ship us eventually. so it could be possible to get their base to hate republicans for giving weapons to jews. but that would be lending legitimacy to just shifting where the genocide is. it's a dangerous game to play and we shouldn't play it. a far better strategy is to, as i said, cordon republicans away from power, desperately try to shift the democrats left, and create parallel structures of power. the aim of these actions is to create an environment where our voices for liberation, be those voices Palestinian, Black, Ukrainian, Jewish, Asian, or Queer, can be heard and listened to.
Kind of unrelated but where do you get your point about republicans wanting to deport Jews to Israel? I’ve never thought about it that way. I thought (in very basic terms) both democrats and republicans supported Israel because it’s a strategic location in the middle east and it’s profitable.
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Kind of unrelated but where do you get your point about republicans wanting to deport Jews to Israel? I’ve never thought about it that way. I thought (in very basic terms) both democrats and republicans supported Israel because it’s a strategic location in the middle east and it’s profitable.
it's the christofascist goal to return the jews to israel so that all the aspects of revelations can come to pass
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it's the christofascist goal to return the jews to israel so that all the aspects of revelations can come to pass
Honestly I’m ill-informed on christofascism, where should I read up on it?
I didn’t think the republicans that have control over our relations to Israel would be ardent on fulfilling biblical narratives. I thought they use Christianity as an excuse and a tool to garner support among uneducated protestants. A republican like Trump or Vance doesn’t understand or follow Christianity, they just want personal gain
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People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
Exactly.
Blind support for Israel is not a Republican or Democrat issue. It is American issue, stewing for decades.
If anything, condemning Israel before manufacturing consent from American public for the same is political suicide.
And American public is fucking stupid.
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i concur with your assessment. aside from a miniscule number of spiteful perpetually online leftists, there is no evidence whatsoever that gaza made an impact on large numbers of voters. whether one party represented change/disruption or status quo is almost certainly how typical Americans framed their decision.
You know ehat I want you and everyone who makes this argument to do?
Next time some pro-genocide centrist is blaming people who weren't 100% on board with wiping out every last Palestinian in Gaza for the loss Harris earned, you make this same argument then.
Otherwise, you're just dismissing opposition to genocide.
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no i am not conflating these things. i myself am jewish and am anti-zionist. when i say the only way to get the republicans to move off their spot is to embrace anti-semitism, i say that because the right wing of america hates jews. they want to deport us to israel. they support the genocide because it gives them a place to ship us eventually. so it could be possible to get their base to hate republicans for giving weapons to jews. but that would be lending legitimacy to just shifting where the genocide is. it's a dangerous game to play and we shouldn't play it. a far better strategy is to, as i said, cordon republicans away from power, desperately try to shift the democrats left, and create parallel structures of power. the aim of these actions is to create an environment where our voices for liberation, be those voices Palestinian, Black, Ukrainian, Jewish, Asian, or Queer, can be heard and listened to.
as someone from the south, "right wing of america hates jews", I disagree with. Most southerners dont even know a single jewish person or have any reason to wish them ill will as long as a they are white.
The billionaire zionists wave the anti-semitism flag anytime they dont like a democrat, ADL is essentially an arm of the Liqud gov at this point, they dont care if you seig hiel, pal around with German nazi's, just as long as you dont mention that Israel is daily committing some of the worst atrocities happening on the planet Earth right now.
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as someone from the south, "right wing of america hates jews", I disagree with. Most southerners dont even know a single jewish person or have any reason to wish them ill will as long as a they are white.
The billionaire zionists wave the anti-semitism flag anytime they dont like a democrat, ADL is essentially an arm of the Liqud gov at this point, they dont care if you seig hiel, pal around with German nazi's, just as long as you dont mention that Israel is daily committing some of the worst atrocities happening on the planet Earth right now.
interesting. i'm also from the south and there are multiple far right anti-semitic groups i have to think about like Atomwaffen SS, the KKK, Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, several militias whose names i don't know, but i know where their training facilities are
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interesting. i'm also from the south and there are multiple far right anti-semitic groups i have to think about like Atomwaffen SS, the KKK, Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, several militias whose names i don't know, but i know where their training facilities are
they are not anti-semitic at their base, KKK is about skin color and was born from the confederate south and that was born out of racial dominance and idiocy, but not jewish hatred. The KKK is just an mlm for racists and has largely all its been throughout its history.
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they are not anti-semitic at their base, KKK is about skin color and was born from the confederate south and that was born out of racial dominance and idiocy, but not jewish hatred. The KKK is just an mlm for racists and has largely all its been throughout its history.
my great grandfather was a grand wizard. maybe it was just his chapter but they were pretty explicitly anti my mom's family. but absolutely on the terrorist mlm thing. -
as someone from the south, "right wing of america hates jews", I disagree with. Most southerners dont even know a single jewish person or have any reason to wish them ill will as long as a they are white.
The billionaire zionists wave the anti-semitism flag anytime they dont like a democrat, ADL is essentially an arm of the Liqud gov at this point, they dont care if you seig hiel, pal around with German nazi's, just as long as you dont mention that Israel is daily committing some of the worst atrocities happening on the planet Earth right now.
They may have never met a Jew in their life, that doesn't stop them from hating us. I'm Jewish and went to college in the south. When they found out I was Jewish (I declined one too many Bible studies I guess), I was targeted for conversion almost constantly. It was a nightmare. I was also pepper sprayed by a Neo Nazi in Southern VA. Trust me, they hate us plenty.
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They may have never met a Jew in their life, that doesn't stop them from hating us. I'm Jewish and went to college in the south. When they found out I was Jewish (I declined one too many Bible studies I guess), I was targeted for conversion almost constantly. It was a nightmare. I was also pepper sprayed by a Neo Nazi in Southern VA. Trust me, they hate us plenty.
yeah different experiences I guess and I am not going to invalidate yours by wasting any more breath on filth like them, however being targeted for conversion is a full time job for many bible thumpers in the bible belt and they hate any body not giving their tithe weekly regardless of race, its obviously a venn diagram of souls being exploited and manipulated for the goals of others and if we learned anything during trump's first term, they are only getting organized during this time to seriously fuck shit up running up to elections.
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